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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4040 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Oct 11^th, 2013 at 10:25pm	Print Post
	In my .40 caliber BPCR I have been using .410" diameter driving band bullets with .400: diameter heads. All of my rifles had a chamber leade and bullets easily chambered. However my new .40-65 Shiloh Sharps does not have a chamber leade and .400" diameter bullet heads need to be cammed into the chamber with a chamber seater. I understand you need a bullet head diameter of .396 to .397 to freely chamber when you do not have a chamber leade. Picture of .400" bullet head diameter that had to be seated into the Shiloh Sharps chamber. What bullet mold are you using in your .40-65 Shiloh Sharps that can be dropped into the chamber and what is the bullet head diameter? Without using a case seater.


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Hiwall55 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 468 Location: west central Illinois Joined: Jun 30^th, 2012	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #1 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 1:08am	Print Post
	I shoot a Paul Jones spitzer w/.397 nose and .400 front driving band. The front driving band can be pushed into the chamber, therefore seating it and squareing it up.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #2 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 9:49am	Print Post
	My spotter uses both a 410gr and a 420gr Brooks bullet, which I understand are two of his 'standard' configurations. You might also read the detailed info on some of the BACo moulds. See if their reduced first band moulds would work.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #3 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 9:52am	Print Post
	Schuetzendave, have you tried posting this also on the Shiloh Sharps forum? Lots of people shooting .40's in Shilohs over there. Terry

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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2269 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #4 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 10:55am	Print Post
	I have a new Shiloh in .40-65 that I haven't shot yet. I just received a new Hoch mould from CPA and will do some casting this weekend. I'll let you know if they fit Chris.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11458 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #5 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	I use tapered bullets. Makes no difference what rifle it is. This summer, shot a Shilo 40-65 with two diameter bullets. Minor diameter .400 noses were a sloppy fit in the muzzle. Rifle was not accurate at 200 yards. Would be lucky to hit chickens at 200M from rest. Joe.
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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #6 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 2:11pm	Print Post
	Have you read this thread? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links); Deadeye Bly, one of the posters, is shooting very successfully with his 40-65 Shiloh with the loads he has listed. Will be shooting with him at next weekends Shippensburg match and then the following week at the SE Regionals in GA and expect that he will do well at both. John is a good shot.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1057 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #7 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 9:08pm	Print Post
	I shoot a Brooks Creedmoor bullet at 420 grains. I size the main diameter to .409" The nose diameter is .398" and the front driving band is .401". This allows for seating the bullet out for more powder capacity and seating the round into the chamber with just thumb pressure. Recovered bullets show light rifling marks on the nose so when they get hit in the butt with the pressure spike they do expand somewhat. I've had good success with that bullet in silhouette and my first effort at mid-range was a 99 @200 yds and the 9 was my fault for not watching conditions well enough. Current Shiloh barrels are as good as any in the business and if you can't hit chickens at 200 meters off a rest you had better start checking other things.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11458 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #8 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	If you'll read my post, you'll notice I mentioned the minor diameter of the bullets were a sloppy fit in the muzzle. I knew before I shot the rifle, that it could not be accurate with those bullets. Nothing to check. I'm sure the rifle is accurate with the correct fitting bullet. Joe.

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art_ruggiero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1084 Location: CT Joined: Dec 14^th, 2008	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #9 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 12:39pm	Print Post
	try the lyman snover mold 410 gr. and 409 410 band dia. shoots good in all my 40 cal rifles art


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4040 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #10 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 12:47pm	Print Post
	Leo from Boomer Molds says the Shiloh Sharps needs a .397" nose width to chamber in rifles without a throat and most everyone is going to the Money style nose. The Shiloh Sharps has .408 from groove to groove. My shooting of .410 driving bands did not lead up. Question is not about the drive bands but whether the nose is too thick to slide between the lands (as opposed to fitting tightly in the grooves). Yes bullets of .409 or .410 for the driving bands will work; but to chamber I need a bullet nose less than .400" to slide easily between the lands when chambering.
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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7267 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #11 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 1:28pm	Print Post
	Dave, You need the bore riding nose to have contact with the lands. I would make a coaxial sizing die and if you make the nose section .0005 smaller than the bore diameter, you'll have a size for size fit in the lands. If you make it the same size as the lands, it will have a nice push (.0005) fit in the lands. You can then play with the base band size, starting at .409 and opening it if need be. Frank

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Mal Full Member Offline Posts: 220 Location: Adelaide SOUTH AUSTRALIA Joined: Dec 5^th, 2012	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #12 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	Dave, I use a lyman tapered 410678av mould, in 20/1 front bands .396-.397 rear .409 very slight push with seater in my Roller 40/65 shoots on and under 1" at 100yds 70gns BP. Regards Mal in AUST.


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2269 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Bullet Design .40-65 Shiloh Sharps Reply #13 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 12:35am	Print Post
	gunlaker wrote on Oct 12^th, 2013 at 10:55am: I have a new Shiloh in .40-65 that I haven't shot yet. I just received a new Hoch mould from CPA and will do some casting this weekend. I'll let you know if they fit Chris. I don't know if it's useful to you, but here are the numbers for my new Hoch bullet cast in 20:1. weight 422.6gr nose diameter 0.397" not a tight fit in the muzzle, definitely a little bit of wobble. bands are 0.409". it hits the rifling at 2.891" to the extent that I can't easily close the breech block. My first loads will be at 2.875" which allows the cartridge to be easily chambered. I'll find out how they shoot once I've fire-formed a batch of cases. Edit: the bullets are 1.375" long, and the nose is 0.700" long. Chris.


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