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Stability Factor calculators
Oct 5th, 2013 at 4:26pm
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Seems not all beasts are created equally!

Example:
Bullet diam    = .321"
Bullet length  = 1.05"
Bullet weight = 185gr
Speed          = 1500fps
Twist           = 1:16

Powleys calculator:
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Says SF = 2.01

Don Miller:
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Says SF = 1.46

How can two experts be so far from each other and more importantly who is right?
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 5th, 2013 at 11:25pm
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and more importantly who is right?

IMO, Powley having used his calculator many times to determine velocity for a specific twist ratio for lead bullets I've not shot before

But I do have to say, Don Miller published a black powder calculator adaptation of the Green Hill formula in the BPC News in the Spring of 2007.  What caught my eye was his calculation of 17.65 factor of the Ideal 375166 bullet in a 1:18 twist.  So it took me 2 years for a group buy of the remake of the mold.  I then used the Powley calculator to determine the ideal velocity which when tested was 42grs of BP for a 18 twist barrel.
This is the results of the 1st range test of the 375166 bullet with 42grs of BP ...
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Reply #2 - Oct 6th, 2013 at 12:43am
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This is the best one that I've found, done by a barrel maker. It also deals with the trans sonic range, I know of no other program that gives that info.

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Reply #3 - Oct 6th, 2013 at 4:53am
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1. If you pm me with your email address, then I'll send you an excel workbook that calculates Greenhill, Dell, Powley and Miller twist rates simultaneously.
2. This workbook says that with your inputs, .321", 1.05", 185 gr, 1500 fps, 16" twist, 
Greenhill twist is 14.7"
Dell twist is 13.3"
Powley s.f. is 2.01
Miller s.f. is 1.44 vs. 1.46
3. Powley and Miller use s.f. in the calculations. With s.f. of 1.5,Powley twist is 18.5"; Miller twist is 15.6"
4. Your question assumes that the 16" twist is correct, and there is clear disagreement amongst these four regarding "correct" twist. At the Powley/iller stage there are a set of 6 major variables, dia, length, wt., mv, s.f. and twist. We must know 5 to know the 6th.
5. I suspect that the difference may lie in the definition of "twist". Greenhill twist is the minimum twist required for bullet stability, and except for very long range with large calibers, it works. There is no recorded instance of Greenhill failing under 600 yards.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 6th, 2013 at 5:30am
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The C. Dell formula is the same as the Les Bowman formula, see 1962 Gun Digest, and solves to a faster twist than Greenhill above ~ 1500 fps. So the Dell twist is a very conservative twist, maybe solving the Greenhill long range difficulty.
Above  1000 FPS, Miller and Powley solve for slower twist than Greenhill with s.f. the same for each. Thus, Powley and Miller are LESS conservative than Greenhill, but at velocities mainly above those considered by Greenhill..
EX: .308", 1.175", 200 gr., 1500 fps, s.f. = 1.5
Greenhill 12.1" twist
Dell 10.9"
Powley 13.2"
Miller 13.3"

So, why the difference? Because the twist rate was held constant. 
Who's right?
Greenhill, <500 yards or so.
  
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