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singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline I love singleshots! Posts: 331 Location: Fort Mill, SC Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #15 - Aug 1^st, 2013 at 7:51pm	Print Post
	Charlie Dell used the term "base band bullet" to describe a bullet where ONLY the base band was groove diameter. The others might be .001+ smaller, or bore diameter, but the base band was groove or slightly over. One he did for a Martini was a 308406 opened up to .314 to seal the large groove diameter of a 310 cadet.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11451 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #16 - Aug 1^st, 2013 at 8:05pm	Print Post
	Thank you, Singleshot. Have heard the term many times but never seen one. Joe.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7261 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #17 - Aug 1^st, 2013 at 10:59pm	Print Post
	So then, A "base band" bullet would be what was called a 100 years ago, either a Mann or a Hudson bullet? Frank

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #18 - Aug 1^st, 2013 at 11:30pm	Print Post
	The Hudson is different, its a Hudson and the Mann is a Mann, the Journal 40-Rod spoke about describes the differances of most as do other publications on the subject. It's hard to find just one that covers them all so it generally takes more than just one to understand them all.
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11451 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #19 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 1:04am	Print Post
	Found the Ken Meyer bullet article in the May/June 2012 SSRJ issue. A base band bullet looks like a Pope tapered bullet. The base band is groove diameter. From the base band up it is bore diameter or up to .002 over bore diameter. So, its a two diameter grooved bullet. The Hudson base band and the next band up are groove diameter. Groove diameter plus some in my experience. Have one that is .328 on the base. Seats perfectly in my Berg Ballard which has a .321 groove diameter. The Hudson bullet required a special reamer for the throat. I've never seen a true base band bullet. Joe.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7261 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #20 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 2:03am	Print Post
	I'm even more confused now Is the defination of a base band bullet, a bore riding bullet with a groove diameter (or larger) base band? Is that how it might be discirbed in a patent appilication? Is this a base band bullet? Frank
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11451 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #21 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 3:09am	Print Post
	Here it is, Frank. Right out of the Journal. Joe.
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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7261 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #22 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 12:26pm	Print Post
	Thank you, Joe. Frank

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11451 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #23 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 2:51pm	Print Post
	You're welcome, Frank. Got tired of having my melon twisted. Thanks to 40_Rod was able to capture an image of the illusive "Base Band Bullet". Joe.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #24 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 4:09pm	Print Post
	I don't have the means to post a picture of Charlie's of which is more typical of the more modern design, that being having the base 125 to 200 thousands in length.

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #25 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 9:52pm	Print Post
	So just to clarify things, exactly how far do I have to run my chucking reamer into my base-pour bullet mould to have a base band bullet? Is it going to look like the base of a Hudson?

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firearmdoc Full Member Offline Posts: 198 Joined: May 19^th, 2013	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #26 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 10:52pm	Print Post
	Although chucking reamers are great for reaming a hole to size, I think you would be better served if you indicate the mold in a 4 jaw chuck and use a boring bar. If you use a chucking reamer you may end up with a chamfer on your second band of the bullet. This would all depend on how much chamfer is on your reamer and how wide your grease grooves are. With a boring bar you will be able to control depth of your cut as well as the diameter without the cost of a reamer. Jesse


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Bullet drawing Reply #27 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 11:05pm	Print Post
	BP some poor ole soul that doesn't know any better might now pick up a chucking reamer and ruin a good mould.

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