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Jul 16th, 2013 at 5:05am
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The city of Harrisburg, which has to support the state government with no tax revenue from same for same and does such a poor job that they are bankrupt, is selling off a collection of museum "stuff" they have purchased over the years to help pay their debts. Included are any number of 'historic' old guns. 
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Reply #1 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 10:45am
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They Bought? Or donated by fools who thought they were going to keep and display the items for all time. Most museums will not spend a dime for anything or at best have a sugardaddy buy it for a tripple tax writeoff.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 11:21am
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Well, they seem to think that a RRB pistol is a revolver so I hope the buyers are able to take advantage of such 'sophistication' . . .  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 12:29pm
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At least they’re auctioning the loot off publicly. So called “curators” have a strong tendency to sell things out the back door to their friends and family.  Sad
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 5:03pm
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Back when Mayor Reed was running the show, he had a "vision" of making Harrisburg some sort of cultural center with numerous museums to attract tourists.
He did manage to open up a Civil War museum; but that was about it.
What with Gettysburg so close, I think it over shadowed more than complimented H-burg's fledgling attempt to draw a crowd.
Not sure how much of the items were donated; but I remember reading stories over the years about his spending sprees for same.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 10:16pm
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Having spent 15 years in Museum administration.  I will not comment on this specific situation since I don't have any factual background on it. 
but I could go on and on about the evolution and development of museum professional and legal practices.  Suffice it to say that there ARE professional standard practices to safeguard collections.  Many museums have implemented those practices and guidelines and have achieved certification by organizations like the American Association of State and Local History and the American Museums Association. Such accreditation requires firm clear and aboveboard legal policies and practices for both acquiring and disposing of collections, including a museum's dissolution.
However there are many small local and community museums founded by well meaning folk who simply cannot afford to operate professionally and many abuses do occur. 
One of the major problem with them is that artifacts, some of great significance and value were put on "long-term loan" in generation's past at eh museum's foundation with little or no documentation of current ownership. 
  As community budgets collapse in the current economy attempts at political economics overrides professional standards.

Another problem area is the private museums owned and financed by a well heeled backer or family who hire "experts" to locate and acquire artifacts to flesh out and augment a family collection to create a "museum" as a celebration of the family. 
Often these are little more than bounty-hunter scroungers who practice all sorts of chicanery for their own benefit.  In some known cases, once found out the museum's owners decline to prosecute rather than expose their pet museum to embarrassing publicity

  

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Reply #6 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 11:05am
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QuestionableMaynard8130 wrote on Aug 5th, 2013 at 10:16pm:
I will not comment on this specific situation since I don't have any factual background on it. 


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Reply #7 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 4:03pm
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FWIW:    Just heard this AM on the news that the City of Detroit is "considering" auctioning off the collections of the Detroit Institute of Arts and the one of the large art auction houses is being approached to "evaluate" the collection.    If this is real, and not just a political ploy;  (like high schools threatening to cut off athletic programs)  it is going to create a nuclear firestorm in the museum and arts community.   It is not as well known and certainly with the "condition" of the city not as well visited as it used to be, but it is certainly one of the top 10, maybe top 5 fine arts collections in the US. Certainly on a par--or it was a decade ago, with the Chicago Institute of Arts.
 Just the legal fighting such a step will entail will last for decades.   Legally putting a properly constituted museum out of its misery is an expensive and very complex step that will consume a large chunk of the proceeds of the sales. As I said, I know nothing about the Penn. museum; but the DIA is certainly among the forefront of properly and professionally organized and operated museums.  In my museum training it was one of the examples used for how things should be organized
  

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Reply #8 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 4:28pm
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Here are a couple follow up stories.
It appears from the numerous stories that an "eccentric" (???) mayor used city taxpayer dollars to buy "historical artifacts" in hopes of creating  tourist attraction. It was never a real proper museum---or even an improper one,  more like a warehouse collection of city-owned artifacts of dubious history . 
Some of the more reliable news accounts express serious reservations about the provenance and actual historicity of the objects being auctioned. several "experts" warn of potential fakes.  Howzabout them "Custer dueling pistols"    well duh!!!!!! 
The auction house of course does not want that stone turned over.  More "well duh"
Just the idea gives me the creeps. How is the ex-mayor not in jail?
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Reply #9 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 4:54pm
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Sell the DIA?  OMG, that would drive the fine arts market downward so fast and so far your head will spin.  There simply aren't enough cyberlords in the world to pay full market price for the treasures in that place.  Yeah, by the time the legal wrangling was finished, Detroit would have been essentially abandoned . . . along with the rest of the planet.  Tachyon drive, here we come!
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 5:27pm
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DIA story correction:   "no plans to sell"  see below.   I must have misheard the news story or a not quite awake radio  "reporter" mis-read the script.  Just doing an appraisal for the bankruptcy proceedings.   Preappraisal WAG estimates as high as 2.6 BILLION.  Thats a serious collection folks.

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Reply #11 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 5:56pm
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And that 2.5 Bill is only on some 38 artworks.  Heaven alone knows what the total value might be.  Depress the global art market?  I would guess so!
  
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