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2f Swiss in 25-20 S.S.
May 24th, 2013 at 6:41pm
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I seem to have a good supply of Swiss 2F, but less than half a pound of the Swiss 3F I had been using for my 25-20 S.S. Has anyone tried shooting Swiss 2F in the .25s? Any accuracy differences?
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Reply #1 - May 25th, 2013 at 1:31am
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I'm willing to wager that you won't find many BP shooters here. Especially those shooting BP in a .25 caliber.

That being said, from BPCR Silhouette experience, you most likely won't find much difference in accuracy, but may notice a drop in MV.

As no one else has answered you, I hope this may be of some help.

Give it a try and see what happens. You may be pleasantly surprised!

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Reply #2 - May 25th, 2013 at 9:17am
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Thanks for the reply Jerry. It seems I usually ask pretty obscure questions. At one point I thought I would change my forum name to Thread Killer....only to find someone beat me to it! I usually find the answer to most of my questions by using the search feature or just lurking.The questions I actually post are the ones that I have had no luck finding in the archives.
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Re: 2f Swiss in 25-20 S.S.
Reply #3 - May 25th, 2013 at 11:39am
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There are black powder shooters here, but they are definately in the minority.  I don't think that black is much/if any handicap in 28 caliber and above.   25's, and smaller, seem to have had less success using black.   Wink
  

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Reply #4 - May 25th, 2013 at 1:24pm
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Will answer your question this fall. My 25-20 is 'under construction' at the moment. The plan is to shoot BP until I find that it is not possible to do so with enough accuracy to be competitive. 

What sort of results have you been getting with BP? What bullet? How much powder/compression?
  

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Re: 2f Swiss in 25-20 S.S.
Reply #5 - May 25th, 2013 at 6:16pm
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Thanks for the replies fellas.
    SSShooter I have only fired about 25 rounds with BP in the 25-20. I have only shot at 25yds to establish a sight zero (rifle is new to me). I'm trying to develop a user friendly fixed round to use for squirrel and cottontail hunting. Rifle is an original low-wall with SST and an original factory 28in #1 bbl.  Barrel has (what appears to be) excellent+ bore, slugged at .250 bore and .2565 groove.   
   I was using the following for the first 15 rnds(bench rest, wiped after each five rounds):
Case: unfired Jameson (sized with some standard RCBS dies which unfortunately had reduced the neck ID to .255 and was apparently deforming the bullet badly)
Primer: Federal small pistol
Bullet: Buffalo Arms 86gr., 1/20 alloy, sized to .257 dia. RNFP, SPG lube. Bullet seated out to just engrave the first driving band
Powder: 17gr. Swiss 3FG. 12in drop tubed, topped with .030 thickness .25 cal Walters vegetable wad.
Compression none (well.. not more than a 16th as I have always found the Swiss powders to respond better with minimal compression in my "big bores")
  All shots at 25yds rest. I had pretty dismal groups for the first 15 rounds with no better than 1 3/16 x 1/4in. 5 shot groups (center to center). The last 10 rnds I had decreased the neck tension to .002 and fired two similar 5 shot groups that had 4 rounds in 9/16 x 5/16 with a 5th  shot as a flyer that opened the group to 14/16 x 13/16. The very next day I injured my back and have not been able to shoot for the last 7 months.  Angry
  As soon as I can I will try decreasing the neck tension to "thumb seating pressure" (CH4D collet dies) and using a .258 and .259 bullet (RCBS-25-85-CM). I am new to these small bore cartridge rifles but have had some great advice on smokeless loads from some of the forums quarterbore shooters. I welcome any and all advice!!
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Reply #6 - May 25th, 2013 at 7:30pm
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I have shot 2FG black powder in a .25-20 SS with excellent results. I always thought 2F shot better then 3 F in any rifle of .25 and larger which I tried it in. 1 inch 10 shot groups at 50 yards. That is the only distance I shots at since that is what the match  required. I breech seated and cleaned every few shots and blow tubed in between.
  
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Re: 2f Swiss in 25-20 S.S.
Reply #7 - May 25th, 2013 at 11:00pm
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Thanks Ken,
   The Swiss 2F granule size is so much smaller than Goex or the old Dupont 2F, it seems like a natural choice. I know the smokeless loads are accurate and less trouble than the BP, and is the intelligent choice for competitions. I don't do much competitive shooting anymore, just mostly take my rifles for a walk in the woods, chasing hapless squirrels and rabbits. The inconvenience of BP never seems to come close to the enjoyment in that situation. I was hooked on large bore black powder single shots back in the 60's and I guess it still appeals to me, but as the good Major said "Only accurate rifles are interesting"
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