There have been a lot of posts regarding perfect targets, 250's, etc.

My interests are traditional rifles using black powder as a propellant.  Have there been any 250's shot with black powder using traditional rifles?

If not, is there a record somewhere of the highest score for a traditional rifle using BP?

Thank you,

Chris.

That makes three of us going for BP. Would also like to know the records for same.

Will be using BP at Chris' Columbia Schuetzen matches the first weekend of August at Thurmont, MD in my 38-56, as will my spotter in his 38-55. We will stick with modern ammo for the .22LR and am unsure about the 25-20 WCF (mainly as it likely will not be finished by then).

I'm not aware of any ASSRA BP records but, once upon a time, our local Club had a well-attended BP benchrest match where we shot paper targets at 100 and 200 yards.  Scopes were allowed but the rifles were all "traditional" as most participants were also BPCS shooters.

This match ended in the early 2000's and, at that time, a really good BP rifle could hold one and 1/2 MOA with iron sights and not do really any better with a scope.

As the ASSRA 25-ring is .75 moa, it's not likely that any BP rifle of that era shot a 250.  However, newer bullet designs, lubes, and loadings may have changed that.

BP ASSRA sounds like a fun activity.  Good luck and tell us how it turns out.

JackHughs

For what it's worth the best 5 shot group I have had out of my CPA Stevens at 100 meters using black powder is .590" , conditions were very good at the time with only a very light breeze. The load was a Paul Jones Spitzer tapered bullet of approximately 322gr ( 20-1 ) breech seated .075" ahead of a case containing 62 gr of PP Wano.
The best the rifle has done using fixed ammunition is 1.3" at the same distance with a Baco bullet that looks like a small Postell bullet, the powder charge in this instance was 50gr of the same powder. 
Ten shot groups average around 2.5" all else being the same. The rifle is fitted with the normal silhouette stock and fired off the bench without the use of wind flags.
Mike.

Am talking without much bench rest experience however seems to be BP as a propellant is not a negative & has the potential to shoot the same score as smokeless powder.

From what I have seen of 250's they require a well handled Rifle set up properly for bench shooting. Powder is one of variables way down on the list. Only real limitation I can see is the  need to wipe clean between shots. Slow and deliberate may be an advantage not disadvantage

Will also agree  about 1 1/2 moa is the normal BPCR set up's potential. However limit is imposed by the sights and stock not the powder

Boats

maybe I'm missing something as a newcomer to this sport ............    I'm failing to understand why, other than strictly for the sake of tradition, one would choose BP over smokeless when given the choice. I am honestly looking to become enlightened as I have always been a curious experimenter and am on the brink of working with a traditional cartridge. Thanks.

some enjoy the challenge of traditional shooting, we all seem to start by deliberately limiting ourselves to single shot rifles. we all choose the limits within which we find enjoyment, I started shooting nothing but benchrest but have gotten more and more involved in offhand shooting---a VERY clear self-limitation in my case.
Others enjoy the tradition by using BP or only iron sights, or a specific type or style of arm.  Whatever tickles you and makes your inner child giggle.

It is my belief that there have only been two areas where ASSRA mandated BP and would have records for it  One was the BP component of the old "all-american" match the other was the "traditional Buffalo" match.   I do ot think that a 250 has been recorded for either.

There is no reason why BP could not be used in any match, unless possibly it might run afoul in 22 rf categories.   I am sure that if anyone shot a 250 in ASSRA-affiliated competition we would soon hear of it and celebrate it accordingly even though we have no special award or category for it. 


  An analogy might be Wayne Vietz's 250 in one of the Quarter-bore matches.  The first 250 shot with a 25 cal in ASSRA competition.   While shot in the !/4 bore competition it was also shot on an ASSRA Schoyen match target in an ASSRA match. 
It could and in my opinion should have been BOTH an 1/4-Bore 250 AND a regular Schoyen 250---it may well have been I just do not remember the details.

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