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Paper Patched Bullets back where they belong.
May 20th, 2013 at 2:25am
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At the Black Powder Long Range (800, 900, 1,000yds) shot at Lodi on the 11-12 May, both first and second places went to competitors using PP bullets.  Cool  Apparently the wind conditions were terrible with it gusting and switching directions constantly. The results are on the Shiloh Sharps Forum / Shooter to Shooter. 

It proved to the grease groove bullet users that they are not necessarily shooting the best bullets as they have been propounding for so many, many years.  Cry

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Reply #1 - May 20th, 2013 at 4:15am
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Congratulations to those who rolled their own and achieved success!

Sounds like there may be some sound science behind laminar airflow reducing drag, turbulence and vortices after all.
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Reply #2 - May 20th, 2013 at 6:50am
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At the Black Powder Long Range (800, 900, 1,000yds) shot at Lodi on the 11-12 May, both first and second places went to competitors using PP bullets.  Cool  Apparently the wind conditions were terrible with it gusting and switching directions constantly. The results are on the Shiloh Sharps Forum / Shooter to Shooter. 

It proved to the grease groove bullet users that they are not necessarily shooting the best bullets as they have been propounding for so many, many years.  Cry

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Reply #3 - May 20th, 2013 at 1:44pm
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I'm glad to see it.  I'm a fan of paper patch shooting and it's nice to see some real success now and then.  The grease groove shooters win more matches but they out number the paper patch competators by a fair margin.

I'm starting to see some promising results with breech seated paper patched bullets in my .38-55.  Nothing as outstanding as some of the groups I've seen posted here, but the loads have shot sub-moa vertical at 100m and 200m.

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Reply #4 - May 22nd, 2013 at 10:53pm
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Yea, paper patches!  Were the bullets cast or swaged?
  
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Reply #5 - May 23rd, 2013 at 12:39am
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Yea, paper patches!  Were the bullets cast or swaged?


As far as I know, Brent, the match winner casts an elliptical bullet using a mould made by Steve Brooks.

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Reply #6 - May 23rd, 2013 at 8:51am
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I do ok with GG bullets, but there has come a time when I will try PP. My rifle is a Shiloh, built by them, with a "std." 45/70 chamber. Do I need to have the chamber changed in a way better for PP?, before I try any PP loads?

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Reply #7 - May 23rd, 2013 at 9:25am
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The standard Shiloh chamber seems to shoot paper patched bullets quite well.  I have a rifle with a custom chamber for paper patching ( based on an original Borchardt target rifle's chamber ) and I don't think it's more accurate than my standard chambered bull barreled Shiloh.  I do use Norma brass though in the Shiloh as it is thicker in the neck.

The nice thing about the original chambers for bore diameter paper patched bullets is that you never need to size the cases as they are much tighter at the neck.  Mine is .474" rather than the .482" or so on a Shiloh.

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Reply #8 - May 23rd, 2013 at 1:13pm
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OG,

Don't modify the chamber, a number of good barrels have been ruined by having the throats extended. In a 45 caliber you need a bullet that is 0.450 wrapped. My bullets are 0.440 before wrapping and with two wraps of paper come up to just over 0.450. Generally they slide nicely into the bore and I never seat them deeper in the case than 0.400. This leaves plenty of room for powder and a grease cookie.

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Reply #9 - May 23rd, 2013 at 2:20pm
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OK, but not wanting to steal Harry's post, I will start a new PP subject.


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