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Dupont SR 4759 loads in 32-40 and 40-65 ?
May 18th, 2013 at 9:14pm
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Ran across 4 lbs of 4759 in my departed  buddy's reloading gear . Giving half to a friend  with a 40-65 ..... can someone post a few medium loads for new production falling block rifles ( C sharps / miller ) .
He has 280 gr gas check cast bullets and 400 gr in the 40-65 . The burn rate is close to 4227 , so it should work in 32-40 . Odd ball powders and Calibers not many loads get posted , I found a few from 06 and 2010 from schuetzendave .

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Re: Dupont SR 4759 loads in 32-40 and 40-65 ?
Reply #1 - May 19th, 2013 at 5:50am
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Hans 4759 is a very good 32/40 powder, perhaps 2nd in popularity to 4227, and only 2nd because 4227 measures easier.  As you say burn rates are very similar and loads practicality interchangeable. If you start around 12 grs working up to velocity about 1450 fps likely to find a good target load.  

Long straight cases mild charges don't show pressure signs like high velocity bottlenecks, you have to work toward a velocity and stop when it's achieved. Bulky fast powders like 4759 will spike if overloaded. Pressure increases faster than the charge. Thats why we stop when it goes fast enough for cast and targets.

Same thing for the 40/65. My 45/70 4759 loads around 22 grs use less as a starting load in the 40.  40/65 Black powder is the best choice if wanting full power loads.

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Reply #2 - May 19th, 2013 at 8:30am
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  I respect the expressed and published opinions and experiences of Major Ned Roberts and Ken Waters, both of whom I consider to be experts.  In their book titled: The Breech-Loading Single Shot Rifle they write, and I quote;

" Du Pont Sporting Rifle No. 4759 Smokeless powder, brought out in 1941 to replace old No. 80 Smokeless, gives very fine accuracy in Schuetzen rifles when used in the proper charges - much better than the No. 80 - and is even more accurate in many rifles then Du Pont IMR No. 4227 Smokeless powder. "

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Re: Dupont SR 4759 loads in 32-40 and 40-65 ?
Reply #3 - May 21st, 2013 at 7:34pm
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For many years I have regarded 13.6 grains of 4759 behind any bullet from 165 to 200 grains (plain based lead) as my starting load.  I have shot it both in fixed ammo and breech seated.  I regard 4759 as my "go to" powder for 32-40.

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Reply #4 - May 21st, 2013 at 8:35pm
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.40-65 loads 
I have used 22 and 23 grains of SR4759 with a 325 grn bullet. This is a very accurate combo. groups about 1'' to 1.5" 

Lyman published loads from 17.0 to 21.0 grains with a 400 grn cast bullet that they sold for the 40-65. Pressure is listed at 17,900 CUP.
My rifle does not group as well with this load but the bullets I have used are not as good as the 320 grain bullets. Groups run around 2" to 2.5".

I use these loads in a Browning Highwall. 
How did I determine where to stop with the 320?
I just increased the load until the unburned grains disappeared. I try to avoid running over unburned powder with the bullet.  Use only at your own risk.
  
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Re: Dupont SR 4759 loads in 32-40 and 40-65 ?
Reply #5 - May 21st, 2013 at 9:24pm
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Thanks all 

I will try some loads tomorrow at the range . Maybe not enough time for all .
Going with fixed 200 gr 32-40  14.3gr  4227 . A bit of 40-65 for my buddy in various loads of 4895 ( I  have plenty of it ) .Some of the 4759 on lighter fixed 280gr and 360gr cast slugs  . 

A little off hand .... mostly off the bench .. indoor 100 yd . 
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Reply #6 - May 21st, 2013 at 9:41pm
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Indoor at 100yd?

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Re: Dupont SR 4759 loads in 32-40 and 40-65 ?
Reply #7 - May 24th, 2013 at 7:59am
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Well the 32-40 loads pretty much stayed at 2" with some minor key-holing with tapered 200 gr fixed loads . I may run some of my of 165 gr bullets and add a few grains . 

My buddy's 40 - 65 C sharp was at 3 - 4" with mixed loads ,some GC bullets with dried hard lube . The trigger is heavy and the new ladder sight shot high even when bottomed out . We could not get a good rest height with my old Hart front bench rest end up with range rests /boxes and lumber . 

I used some old 50ft pistol target , that was hard to see the 5" black even with the widest aperture at 100 yds . Need to get a few proper targets to match the front sight . 

Both barrels ended up clean , no leading or schmutz .
  
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Reply #8 - May 24th, 2013 at 8:33am
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A little off hand .... mostly off the bench .. indoor 100 yd . 


Hans --

If, as I understand you correctly, you are in the load development stage, you will get to where you want to be sooner if you just shoot off the bench rest for now.

Once you have eliminated all of the variables by using the bench rest method for your load development, then, at that future point, would be the time to begin your career as an off-hand standing up shooter.

Also, my advice is for you to keep accurate written records in a note book of all the things you have experimented with, even the things that you find do not work.  You don't want to repeat what doesn't work and you want to focus on those things that do work.

Good luck

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Re: Dupont SR 4759 loads in 32-40 and 40-65 ?
Reply #9 - May 24th, 2013 at 8:50am
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Yes , I'm pretty close to where I was in the 80 - 90s with those loads . More or less sorting through inherited supplies picking a good combo . While there is BS gear and I shoot mostly fixed loads , so thats another time VS benefit test . 

I do have a note book for range results , hoping for a good enough load so every trip to the range isn't square one testing .
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