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Apr 14th, 2013 at 1:52pm
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Howdy, folks!

Came across this site last night while trying to do some research on this rifle.  I've had it to my smith to check it over, and am waiting on feedback from him as to caliber and load prior to firing it.

I've always been intrigued by this type of firearm, and when this one came to my attention, I had to "rescue" it - seems the owner had inherited it from their grandfather, and all they could see was "some old gun".  I'd really appreciate any help on ID'ing/more info on it - I primarily collect .45's (if ya'll are on other sites and have seen "TexasRedneck, yeah, it's probably me[smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]).

I'll put up some more pics in following posts - apparently I can only post one pic at a time...
  
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should have mentioned - it's marked "Buchel" - sorry!
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 2:38pm
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What you have is an example of the very best of all the German Schuetzen rifles. Under the forend, you should find details of the barrel maker and dateable proof marks. I have one which is a very late example but is in near mint condition except for the diopter sight which is missing.
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Reply #7 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 2:42pm
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I forgot to mention that the calibre is 8.15 x 46R.
The correct "stop-ring" mould is available from NEL and the dies from CH. Brass is easily formed from 30-30.
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Reply #8 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 5:14pm
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Thanks, Fred!  Of course, about half of what you wrote is Greek to these ears.... Embarrassed  Too many years spent collecting .45's, I reckon...now, if you mention a Randall 1911 Southpaw, ah'm there! Grin

So, please feel free to explain slowly to this idjit just what you're sayin' - I understand about the calibre, but is this one of those that you run the bullet in via the barrel, and insert a charged/primered case in the breech?
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 5:20pm
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It's not necessary but most of the serious competitors do.  See if someone anywhere near you has a copy of Alte Scheinwaffen, especially Vol I.  You might be able to get it on inter-library loan.  The book is gun porn and the history of German target shooting is really interesting.
  
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Reply #10 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 8:59pm
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I bet Grandpa was in WWII,  found this "old gun"   and liberated it.    All the markings on the rifle will tell you a lot about where it was made and maybe who made it.  I am not  that knowledgeable (yet)  but there are those  on the site that can decipher the marks.   And if you decide to part with it,  the  "for sale" area is the right spot. 

Hope that  learning about the rifle   will convert you to a single shot shooter 

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Reply #11 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 9:13pm
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Thanks for all the input and welcome, folks!  As I mentioned, I'm a bit of a .45 freak/nut - just added 2 more to the collection today, in fact - so the jury is out as to whether I'll keep it, but I at LEAST want to shoot it before making any decision.  There's a Schuetzen club here, so I'm gonna be talking to them as soon as I get the time!  They focus primarily on .22's, but I'm betting there'll be folks there that'll be able to tell me about shooting/handling it properly!
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 15th, 2013 at 8:19am
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One quick word of warning. The rear sight looks cobbled together. This is not unusual an many "liberated" guns came home without sights. Have your smith make a chamber cast to make sure that the rifle has not also been re-chambered. Many guys had these re-chambered to 32 Winchester Special so they would have readily available brass.

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Reply #13 - Apr 15th, 2013 at 9:54am
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The Germans never really went in for muzzle loading over a blank case or breach seating the bullet into the rifling and then using a blank. if still in 8.15 x 46R, it will have a long tapered throat. The bullet has a raised lead "stop-ring" around it about half way along its length. After fire forming the cases to the chamber, you reload without dies, pushing the bullet into the case by hand until the stop-ring hits the case neck. I have a breech seater for mine and have tried it out, but accuracy is better with the correct bullet loaded as Buchel intended. It will easily group into less than an inch at 100 yds.
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Reply #14 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 4:43pm
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I'm still here - just had a computer crash that also took all my bookmarks....

We're going to finally do a cast next weekend - will see what it reveals!
  
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