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yamoon Frequent Elocutionist Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 1014 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Lechner rifle Apr 7^th, 2013 at 7:05pm	Print Post
	Hello I have a question about a rifle I have owned several years. The only markings on the rifle are H. Lechner, Nurnburg. There are no proof marks or caliber designations. It is a 8.15x46R determined by a chamber cast. Frank DeHass referred to the action as a Lechner. The rifle is a Tyrol stocked scheutzen. I believe the modern German proof system began in 1893. Was this striker fired action available prior to 1893? If it was not why no proof marks? I no that a definite answer is not probably available, so go ahead hazard an educated guess. Thanks Mike


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7763 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #1 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 8:54pm	Print Post
	Come on, Mike. You can't tease us like that Pictures, pictures, pictures. Frank

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12595 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #2 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 9:13pm	Print Post
	Pictures please. Joe.

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yamoon Frequent Elocutionist Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 1014 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #3 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 6:46pm	Print Post
	How do I add pictures, As an attachment? Mike


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KWK Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 414 Location: USA Joined: Jul 12^th, 2004	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #4 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 9:25pm	Print Post
	I think the proper name for the action is the System Konkurrenz. It was pictured in a 1911 German book I once thumbed through, but I have no idea when it was introduced. I recall the name Büchel is seen with this action; they may have made the action or held the patent.
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12595 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #5 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 9:38pm	Print Post
	KWK wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 9:25pm: I think the proper name for the action is the System Konkurrenz. It was pictured in a 1913 German book I once thumbed through, but I have no idea when it was introduced. If my memory system is in order, today. The modern Hoch is very similar to the Konkurennz. We need pictures. Joe.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12595 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #6 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 9:43pm	Print Post
	yamoon wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 6:46pm: How do I add pictures, As an attachment? Mike Click on choose file. Make sure your file/picture is 500 KP or less. Double click on the file. To post more than one picture click the plus to the left of the choose file button. Will let you post several pictures. 200 kp seems to be a good size. Joe.

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Stractor Junior Member Offline Posts: 94 Location: New Jersey Joined: Jan 3^rd, 2010	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #7 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 3:59pm	Print Post
	Did you remove the forearm and look at the bottom of the barrel where the forearm sits? That is where the Germans put the proofs. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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yamoon Frequent Elocutionist Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 1014 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #8 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 5:17pm	Print Post
	OK we will see if this works Mike


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Stractor Junior Member Offline Posts: 94 Location: New Jersey Joined: Jan 3^rd, 2010	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #9 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 5:00pm	Print Post
	KWK is correct--the rifle is shown appears to be a Buchel Konkurrenz-- Konkurrenz meaning competition. Buchel is the company/person who developed the system. That doesn't mean it is a Buchel rifle only a Buchel system. There should be a crown over a U and a crown over a B on the right side of the breech block, these proofs are on most German rifles.
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Walter Matera Ex Member	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #10 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 5:29pm	Print Post
	Oh, now, that is lovely. I especially like the checkering surrounded by carving on the right side of the stock. Really, you must get it cleaned up and out to the range to see if pretty does as pretty is.


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #11 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 6:09pm	Print Post
	Mike, a nice looking rifle you have ... have you shot it lately? Sure would be nice for a Sticky to have all these neat Schuetzens in one portfolio - Yes?


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yamoon Frequent Elocutionist Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 1014 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #12 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 7:57pm	Print Post
	No there are no proof marks anywhere, breech block or barrel. I have fired it many times with a breech seated bullet. Does not do well, I have 2 stop ring moulds. I plan on casting in the next 2 or 3 weeks & trying them. Any one have thought on lubing a stop ring bullet. What about a liquid alox is it still available, any other suggestions? Mike


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Stractor Junior Member Offline Posts: 94 Location: New Jersey Joined: Jan 3^rd, 2010	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #13 - Apr 30^th, 2013 at 2:02am	Print Post
	Quote: Sure would be nice for a Sticky to have all these neat Schuetzens in one portfolio - Yes? Great idea and a good source of comparative information


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Lechner rifle Reply #14 - Apr 30^th, 2013 at 6:24am	Print Post
	I have used liquid alox for my stop-ring bullets for years--it works fine. I have a breech seater for my Buchel, but accuracy is far better with the bullet thumb seated in the case. Fred


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