Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2  Send TopicPrint
Hot Topic (More than 10 Replies) Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40 (Read 11655 times)
mb3240
Ex Member


Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:10am
Print Post  
I'm new at this and don't want to mess up.   Assuming that I get a qualified gun smith to certify that the gun is safe to fire what loads should I use.  From what I have read there seems to be a split on whether one should only shoot black powder or can use a smokeless equivalent. The gun has been passed down through the family and I would like my grandkids see it shot but want to error on the safe side. Would appreciate your help.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
John Boy
Ex Member


Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #1 - Mar 9th, 2013 at 12:40pm
Print Post  
Quote:
what loads should I use.

Black Powder: 165g lead bullet - 40gr FFFg powder that will give a velocity of 1450 fps
When you take the rifle to the gunsmith, have him determine if the action is cast iron metal or forged steel.  If a cast action - stay strickly with BP reloads and you will have no issues

What is the patent date stamping on the rifle and does it say J.M. Marlin?  Is an indication whether or not the action is cast metal
Congratulations owning a fine vintage single shot Ballard!
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
mb3240
Ex Member


Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #2 - Mar 9th, 2013 at 1:37pm
Print Post  
Two lines. First line is JM Marlin New Haven Conn. USA and the second is Ballard's Patent Nov. 5, 1861.  I beleive it is forged because the action is solid below the barrel.   Serial number is around 10,000 if that helps.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Online


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Posts: 16289
Location: Oregon
Joined: Feb 2nd, 2009
Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #3 - Mar 9th, 2013 at 7:04pm
Print Post  
Sounds like a forged action. Can you tell me where you got the 1880 model or date? Need a picture to determine the model, but if it's straight grip stock, and single trigger it's most likely a #4 Perfection model.
  

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
mb3240
Ex Member


Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #4 - Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:38pm
Print Post  
Haven't posted a picture before so let me know is it doesn't  come through.

It belonged to my great grandfather.   It has 32 40 engraved on the top of the barrel near the action and a silver oval ( made from a silver dollar as the story goes ) embedded in the stock with his name engraved in it.

The 1880 date is something I heard my dad say years ago.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Fritz
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 516
Location: Texas
Joined: Jun 27th, 2008
Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #5 - Mar 9th, 2013 at 9:10pm
Print Post  
mb3240, Real nice Ballard,thanks for sharing picture with all and know it would be a family keepsake,at least in my family--Fritz
  
Back to top
YIM  
IP Logged
 
John Boy
Ex Member


Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #6 - Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:33pm
Print Post  
mb, here's some reading material for you about Ballard rifles ... 
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Online


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Posts: 16289
Location: Oregon
Joined: Feb 2nd, 2009
Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #7 - Mar 10th, 2013 at 12:28pm
Print Post  
Wow! What a nice old gun, and the history of the name plate is even better! Looks like a #4 Perfection, with upgraded wood and optional checkering. 
The two line address should make it a forged action, and it should be fine with .32-40 loads, but don't use jacketed bullets. Slow burning smokeless loads wont hurt the action, but keep the loads below max loadings.
The "JM Marlin" marking changed to "Marlin Firearms Co." around 1881, so your Ballard will probably predate that era, but not sure on the year.
  

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
mb3240
Ex Member


Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #8 - Mar 10th, 2013 at 12:56pm
Print Post  
I would like to thank everyone for their help.  I will also ensure that the information you have given me is documented for future generations.

Again thanks! Smiley
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
40_Rod
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


Extremism in the persuit
of accuracy is not a
vice

Posts: 4285
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: Apr 20th, 2004
Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #9 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:01am
Print Post  
Nice rifle. If in fact a forged frame there is no reason that smokeless loads can't be used. 
I would suggest a 165 grain soft lead bullet 25:1 lead to tin is available. Stay away from the hard stuff that most of the gun show commercial casters push. That stuff is for pistol shooters who shoot at stuff, not rifle shooters who hit targets. 
  4227 is a good powder to learn with start with about 13.8 grains and work up slowly until your groups tighten up. Do not exceed 14.5 grains. Work carefully these are large cases and will easily hold a double charge. Be careful work work out a system to double check that you have not overcharged a case. A simple 5/16 wood dowel with a pencil mark is a simple way to check. 
As with any other rifle a double charge will not be a good thing. However every year hundreds of thousands of smokeless rounds are shot safely in Ballards. 
One more caution, be very careful with commercially loaded 32-40s some are loaded to black powder pressures, most are not the Winchester John Wayne for instance will end badly for you in a Ballard.
40 Rod
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Online


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Posts: 16289
Location: Oregon
Joined: Feb 2nd, 2009
Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #10 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:46pm
Print Post  
I wouldn't use any of the factory .32-40 ammo that has jacketed bullets anyway, as most will be hotter loadings with jacketed bullets. Additionally, jacketed bullets are hard on these blackpowder era soft steel barrels, so they should not be used or your barrel will suffer additional wear.
I use smokeless with cast lead bullets in my old Ballards, and have for years. No problems with load data that falls into midrange velocity, but don't push them to max loadings.
  

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
mb3240
Ex Member


Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #11 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:54am
Print Post  
Is there a certain style of cast lead bullets that I should be looking for?   I was able to locate some new 32 40 Winchester brass and will order the Cowboy 32 40 Win. 3 die full length set from RCBS if that is appropriate.

Also does anyone know what the effective range is for this rifle?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
frnkeore
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 7324
Location: Central Point, OR 97502
Joined: Jun 16th, 2010
Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #12 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 1:17am
Print Post  
Your rifle can be shot with fixed ammo just fine but, it will be much more accurate if you shoot it breech seated.

BSed the effective accuracy range is at least 300 yards. Most competitions are shot at 200 yards beyond that, you may need to raise the rear scope mount or lower the front, if it has scope mounts. Your rear sight will work but, would be better if it had windgage adjustment but, if it will stand up and index well, you could go with a windgage front sight.

If you shoot your rifle BSed, I believe you will be amazed at the accuracy but, you'll need help getting it setup. 

You'll need to slug the barrel and get a tapered (prefered) bullet that is no smaller than groove dia. at the base and up to .002 over. It will need to be + - 1 1/16 long and seated so that the base band is engraved with the rifling most of the way through it and then adjust it and the powder charge for best accuracy.

It might sound a little hard but, if you ask and or attend matches, you'll have lots of help.

You have a real treasure there.

Frank
« Last Edit: Mar 12th, 2013 at 1:25am by frnkeore »  

ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
mb3240
Ex Member


Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #13 - Mar 15th, 2013 at 12:39am
Print Post  
Sorry I haven't replied back sooner but being new to this and not wanting to pester everyone with questions you may have already answered I have been looking through the various forum posting to learn about breach seating.  There seems to be lots of information on how to do it but I haven't found anything that explains why it is more accurate.  Would someone mind taking a shot at that?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MikeT
Senior Forum Member
****
Offline



Posts: 295
Location: St. Cloud, MN
Joined: Sep 7th, 2005
Re: Loads for 1880 Marlin Ballard 32 40
Reply #14 - Mar 15th, 2013 at 10:42am
Print Post  
Breech seating places the bullet into the barrel, so it starts out perfectly aligned with with the bore.  In other words there is no 'bullet jump' to get into the rifling, because the bullet is there already when the light goes on.  Cool

Keep on hav'n fun!
MikeT
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 
Send TopicPrint