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Feb 25th, 2013 at 9:11am
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Here is my recently refurbished Hepburn.
Wood from CPA, fitted & finished by Millard Hixson.
Original 40-65 barrel lined with a TJ liner by John Taylor.
Case-color by Classic Gun Ltd.
Engraving (excellent) & bluing (poor - must be redone) by Dale Woody.
Rear sight by Kermit Hoke & front by Lee Shaver.
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Reply #1 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 1:02pm
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I am glad you volunteered Joe to do the checkering. I hear you can do a pretty good job. Post some photos of your checkering.

I think that dark wood and case coloring will look real nice out in the sunlight.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 5:09pm
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contact Tim Smith-Lyons,  member and does a great job
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 26th, 2013 at 5:36pm
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Plan to have it checkered next year while I have the sorry job of bluing redone. Am taking bids if anyone is interested in the work. Wink Should have the new mould (BACo 400gr M4) by the end of the week, so will be putting some lead down-range next week, weather permitting. May shoot it with the 28" MVA scope just to add another pound of weight. Only weighs 10#. Am starting to think deer.
  

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Reply #4 - Feb 26th, 2013 at 11:25pm
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Looks pretty nice! Can we have a closeup of Dale's engraving? Had Dale do my Hepburn also, and he did engraving, bluing, and casehardening. All turned out super on mine.

Nevermind; saw it on your other post. Smiley
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westerner wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 12:42pm:
Really begging for some checkering.
         Joe.  Smiley

You are correct and here it is. Had it checkered last winter (difficult to see, but is traditional Hepburn with ~1/2" uncheckered wood between the panels on either side of the forearm & pistol grip), along with a new 32" GM barrel with a Win 3 1/2 profile and 14.5" twist. Did not care for the light weight and the new barrel added about 1.5#, which is much better. Have started to learn to shoot it (the checkering surely helps) and made AAA this past season with a couple of 2nd places at regional matches. Hoping to continue to improve in 2016. Is a terrific rifle.
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Reply #6 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 8:52am
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Glen, love that Hepburn. Still thinking about a .44?
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 4:33pm
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Absolutely. Please don't let that 44-70 reamer go without thinking about me first. Wink
Have a 38-50 Hepburn to finish before I can start on the 44-70. Woody has the wood and the action goes out for case-color after the new year, so am hoping I'll have it all together by summer. Then I'll get the 44-70 'into the works'. 
  

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Reply #8 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:41pm
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Indeed. The 38-50 has maple wood that is out being checkered at the moment. It was a rifle that someone had "varmintized" into a .219Z at some point and lots of extra wood that was removed. Should have back by spring so can post some pic's.

Here's a better pic of the wood with the cheek piece removed. CPA provided a very nice chunk of timber. That's a Woody's Boxes 40cal cleaning rod thru the bore to measure so the comb height can be set on the maple stock going on Hepburn #2.
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Reply #9 - Dec 26th, 2015 at 1:11pm
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That is a very nice rifle, but I do have maybe a bit of a silly question. In the past I have, or at least I think that I  have seen people say that the Hepburn stock is not all that good for prone shooting and that it is a bit low. Your stock seems to solve that problem but I am just curious if it meets the guidelines to be silhouette legal.
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Reply #10 - Dec 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm
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BPCR Rules for silhoutte stock:

(f) Stock: Forearm must be attached and shall be of traditional design not to exceed 2 inches in width, cannot extend below the line of the bottom of the receiver or base of trigger guard, and no attachments will be allowed on the forearm. Measured froth the centerline of the bore, the drop at the heel shall not exceed 2 3/4 inches; drop at toe shall not exceed 8 inches. No portion of the rifle stock behind the rifle action shall be higher than 3/4 inch below the centerline of the bore. The butt shall not be longer than 5 1/4 inches top to bottom. Cheek pieces are permitted, but no roll over. Pistol grips are permissible, but no flared or hand-contoured styles. Crescent-style buttplates are permissible, but cannot be over 1 1/8 inch deep when measured froth a straight line from points of the buttplate. Commercial recoil pads are permissible. Stocks and forearms must be made of natural wood and must be in keeping with designs of stocks of the era. (See Rule 3.18.)
  

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Reply #11 - Dec 26th, 2015 at 11:46pm
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The green sticker is from the 2014 nationals. All rifles are weighed and have to fit in their jig, which measures the stock configuration. The original non-shotgun Hepburn stock likely would pass, but I find quite uncomfortable to shoot. To me, it is a real kicker with an almost crescent buttplate and too much drop. YMMV. From the first pic to the last I've taken about 1/2" off the comb.
  

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Reply #12 - Dec 27th, 2015 at 9:54am
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I don't mind the drop on an original Hepburn stock, but the very narrow buttplate is not comfortable in any heavier loads! Same for that buttplate on Rolling Block rifles. They are just too narrow to distribute the recoil over my shoulder, and I've had more than one occasion of a bruised shoulder from original Hepburn and Rolling Block buttplates when shooting.
I went with a larger checkered steel buttplate on my restoration, with a Crossno silhouette style stock, which is extremely comfortable, even with heavy .45-70 loads.
  

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Reply #13 - Jan 17th, 2016 at 3:51pm
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Getting close. The barrel is fitted and goes on this week, as should the wood.
  

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Reply #14 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 1:56pm
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Coming together. If this couple of feet of snow ever melts off, will get started on load-development. Probably won't get to checker until next fall. Probably take a bit more off the comb at that time.
  

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Reply #15 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 2:35pm
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Reply #16 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 9:27am
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Thank you. The real thanks goes to the artists who did the engraving, case-color hardening & bluing and wood. Wish I had one of those skills.
  

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Reply #17 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 11:44am
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Yes, great craftsmanship, but nice to see another Hepburn saved, and done the right way too!
  

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Yep........... that's my role in retirement. Save all the old wayward Hepburn (and any other worthy single-shot) rifles I can. Starting on the next Hepburn shortly (just ordered the proper liner). Will have the original 28" full-octagon barrel lined back to 32-40. It is a real pleasure to restore these old rifles to something resembling their original glory.
  

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Reply #19 - Feb 1st, 2016 at 10:50am
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Instead of putting in a liner. I'm not sure if Ken Bresine
is still in business but he could recut &rifle the bore to 33-47.
  
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Thanks. The problem is that the original barrel was lined down to 22-Lovell and the 0.375" OD liner has to be removed as there is not enough meat left in there to safely bore & rifle to a 32cal of any sort. So, have to have the old liner cut out and new one put in. Also, new liner (TJ's with 14" twist) is inbound, so all ready moving in that direction.
  

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Reply #21 - May 30th, 2016 at 8:50am
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Got the stock taken down (thank you Don Faulkenberry) to match my other Hepburn and now I can get down into it for some proper shooting. Compare to the pic above to see how much wood was taken out of it. Will be trying it in both mid-range (200/300/600yd) and BPCR silhouette in June. Should be fun. Has the best triggers of my Hepburns. Only thing left is to have it checkered the next off-season.
  

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Reply #22 - May 30th, 2016 at 9:09am
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The stock looks great, and I like the S shape to the grip. See so many Hepburns with the standard round grip, and the S is a nice deluxe feature!
  

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Reply #23 - May 30th, 2016 at 9:39pm
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Thanks. Me, too.
Forgot to post the "before" pic of the rifle. This is the starting point of the current wood. Barrel looks short and stubby with all that wood. Engraving, barrel bored from .22 to 38cal and 13" twist, chambered in 38-50R, blued with CC action. You've come a long way, baby.
  

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Reply #24 - May 30th, 2016 at 11:11pm
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You're right Glenn. Those big bulbous varmint style forearms really make the barrels look short. The balance of the whole gun's appearance seems off with those long and heavy forearms.
  

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1991Goldenmatch11th. Ken Bresein died on August 11, 2014 Great guy and missed.
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Amen Tom I had one of his left hand twist 33 barrels that out shot anything that I have owned to date and it was screwed onto one of his Stevens 44 1/2 actions prior to CPA making them.

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Reply #27 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:07am
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OK....... time to get this thread back on the "Hepburn" track. Here is a pic of Hepburn #3. Everything has been fitted so it operates correctly. Hammer-spring needs some work as it takes both thumbs and a good looking girl to cock the thing. And then just barely. Have the original #3 weight, full-octagon 28" long 32-40 barrel, which, unfortunately, was lined down to a 22 Lovell before I found it. Everything goes off to the gunsmith next month for a new TJ liner to get it back to 32-40. Once everything is fitted, will be refinished (perhaps engraved) and the wood put on. Another year or so and it will be a shooter.
  

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Reply #28 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:00pm
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I'm glad I can grab a few before you own them all Glenn! Looks like the makings of another fine Hepburn for you!
  

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Doing my best. Smiley Only have three originals (the .22 is a DZ Arms repro - he does a very nice job) and, oddly enough, they are all three within 300 of each other based on their serial #'s. The first one had a 'chopped' barrel (20") and the other two had been 'varmintized' (.219 Zipper & .22 Lovell). This one has been the most effort due to the bad trigger-guard. Was actually rusted through, but the receiver is in excellent condition. Must have been some sort of galvanic action going on. Am thinking I may put it together and shoot it for a while before doing the refinish on the metal & wood. With a 32-40 the original butt-plate shouldn't be too bad, shooting off-hand.
  

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Reply #30 - Jul 31st, 2016 at 4:39pm
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Beautiful Hepburn, SSShooter.  You're right Dan (DZ Arms) does a beautiful job building his Hepburns.  Been drooling over them for a long time.  Have watched his process and been in his wood "vault".  Gorgeous stuff.  Can't wait to see yours when it's finished.  Love Hepburns.
  

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Been alerted that my Bartlein gain-twist 38cal barrel ships at the end of the month. Plan on the Hepburn Creedmoor rifle profile with the short octagon section. Another step in the process.
  

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OK......... Hepburn #3 (#3 for me, that is) is off to the engraver for a bit of work. Was almost sorry to polish this receiver as it still had about 50% of the original lacquer on it and probably 98% of the blue. Ah, well, it was converted to a 219 Zipper varmint rifle by someone and will be returned to something resembling the original configuration when it is finished. Have the original wood & barrel, so all is good. Case-color and screw-head restoration/bluing after the engraving.
  

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Reply #33 - Nov 2nd, 2016 at 3:12pm
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BOY OH BOY,if you just won this item,in Oct. I was bidding,but then my son-in-law asked to use my comp.when he was done,nothing worked RIGHT!!! It was a barreled action. Sad ??.Well at least it went to a good home, just picked up stocked action,have barrel 38-55. just not as GOOD a price. The son-in-law,4 grands,he puts up with my daugther and he is a DR. than shoots. Will keep him! Good shooting with that new Hepburn!! I dod believe it is a disease  Cool 57thahc
  

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Reply #34 - Nov 2nd, 2016 at 5:26pm
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Yep. A good disease, though.  Cheesy
No, purchased as a complete rifle about 2yr ago and just getting around to it after pretty much finishing up on Hepburn #2 (wood is being checkered and barrel lined - final steps) while I type. Reamer on the way to the g'smith. Hope to have everything back sometime after the new year.
  

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SSShooter wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 2:39pm:
OK......... Hepburn #3 (#3 for me, that is) is off to the engraver for a bit of work. Was almost sorry to polish this receiver as it still had about 50% of the original lacquer on it and probably 98% of the blue.


Didn't know Remington ever blued Hepburns, and wonder why they would put lacquer over bluing? Are you sure that was original?
  

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Reply #36 - Nov 3rd, 2016 at 5:48am
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Per Rowe's book, blued were quite rare. Perhaps I should have left well enough alone.  Cry However, having all ready been converted to a varmint rifle some time ago before I got it, the value as a collector's Hepburn was gone.
  

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Reply #37 - Jan 16th, 2017 at 9:49pm
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Otto Carter just sent this drawing of the engraving that he will cutting on the receiver he is doing for me. Should have it back for case-color by the end of the month.
  

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Reply #38 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:56am
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Those scratches on the receiver will show! Wink

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Reply #39 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 4:48pm
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Love the pattern..............and am literally addicted to Hepburns like I am redheaded women!  Grin  Don't know which would turn my head quicker.  At least Hepburns don't usually have tempers.  Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #40 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 6:16pm
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Chris C wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 4:48pm:
  Grin  Don't know which would turn my head quicker.  At least Hepburns don't usually have tempers.  Roll Eyes


And Hepburns cost less to obtain, and keep running too!
  

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Reply #41 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 6:16pm
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My full coverage Stevens 44-1/2 Breisen also had all the screw heads clocked and engraved and a real nice added touch. It is not often seen and maybe something to also think about to add a little more charm to it all. If nothing else just having all the screws clocked seperates the custom from just not being so and if not it just simply becomes another everyday engraved action and not anything overly special.
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Reply #42 - Jan 27th, 2017 at 3:13pm
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Engraving is almost finished and is looking great. These guys are amazing and such terrific artists as well as craftsmen.

Should be off to have the various parts case-colored and rust blued next week.
  

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Reply #43 - Jan 28th, 2017 at 12:00pm
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Beautiful, and delicate looking engraving! I like the pattern even more now that it's done!
  

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Reply #44 - Jan 28th, 2017 at 1:38pm
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Very Nice, looking forward to seeing your pictures when all complete
  
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Reply #45 - Jan 28th, 2017 at 10:32pm
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Very nice. Like the overlaps in the pattern. Adds depth and dimension.
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Reply #46 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:56am
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Thanks. Really like the way Otto has filled in the 'hump' where the top of the block resides when the action is closed. Very clever design. Wish I could take credit for something other than owing it.
  

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Reply #47 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 12:43pm
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Had an occasion to get three of my four Hepburns (3 original & one DZ Arms .22LR) out of the safe, so thought I'd snap and pic & post. All are DST models.

The top Hepburn is the 35-40. It came to me chambered in 219 Zipper and I had it lined to 35cal and chambered in 35-40. Will eventually have all that rubber on the end of the stock removed and a piece of wood scabbed on and a proper buttplate installed. The barrel is 26" long and it weighs in at 9#5oz with an 8oz mercury recoil suppressor in the stock (purely for adding some weight) and the tapered, round, 26" long barrel. With the 23" MVA scope it still only a 10#13oz rifle. Very handy & a real pleasure to shoot. In the process of working up loads. 35-40 is a pussy-cat.

The middle rifle is the DZ Arms .22LR. 28" half-octagon, half-round Shilen rachet-rifled barrel. Great shooting rifle and DZ Arms does excellent work.

The bottom rifle is my 40-65 BPCR/BPTR rifle. 32" long Win #3 1/2 profile, 14.5" twist GrnMtn barrel and it shoots much better than I do. As can be seen from the various stickers, it has been to the nationals (Raton) and any number of regional matches and has served me well. A real pleasure to shoot.

Not shown is the 38-50, which is out for case-color, bluing and chambering. Will have a 32" Bartlein gain-twist barrel (16.5-11.5"). It started life with me as an all original rifle (other than the 22 Lovell barrel liner) and, after I'm thru shooting it as a 38-50, will be returned to the original 32-40 with 28" full octagon barrel.
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Reply #48 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 11:49pm
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Very nice! Good looking trio of Hepburns!
  

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Reply #49 - Apr 6th, 2017 at 8:17pm
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Making some headway. My case-color (bone charcoal) guy did the buttplates (original for the original wood) and new M70 for the new shotgun stock wood. Action to follow (receiver, triggers, trigger guard, sear) and rest will be rust blued (including screws).
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Reply #50 - Apr 6th, 2017 at 8:44pm
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Those butt Plates look Great!

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Reply #51 - Apr 6th, 2017 at 9:18pm
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I think something like that pattern you have on your Hepburn would look great on my planned Hi Wall, who did the work ?, perhaps if my engraving guy is too busy to do my Hi Wall within the next six months I could give your guy a call.
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Reply #52 - Apr 7th, 2017 at 4:04pm
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Mark Swanson in Prescott, AZ did the 35-40 and Otto Carter in Abilene, TX the most recent receiver. Each took something around 10wk. Both are engraving guild members at the master level (think it is limited to 100). As mentioned, told them I wanted the lettering remarked and a border and $500 worth of engraving and that's what I got.
  

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Reply #53 - Apr 7th, 2017 at 8:23pm
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Glenn, who is doing your case-coloring ?  Dale.
  

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Reply #54 - Apr 7th, 2017 at 8:42pm
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Have a friend who does metal finishing as a hobby (case-color, rust & heat blue, etc.). What do you want done? I'll ask if he wants more work. He isn't trying to do so as a business.
  

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Reply #55 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:58pm
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Here's the block.
  

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Reply #56 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 8:39am
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SSShooter,

Wow, your friend has his CC dialed in to exactly how I like case colors - blues, greys, and tan. Beautiful work, congrats to you for beautiful parts, and to your friend for such nice work.

I eagerly look forward to seeing the finished product.
  
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Reply #57 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 11:35am
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jy3855 wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 8:39am:
SSShooter,

Wow, your friend has his CC dialed in to exactly how I like case colors - blues, greys, and tan. Beautiful work, congrats to you for beautiful parts, and to your friend for such nice work.

I eagerly look forward to seeing the finished product.

I agree! A fair number of professionals have trouble getting all the colors your friend is getting! He must be doing it right and figured it out!
  

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Reply #58 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 6:50pm
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He sure is. I've told him he should stop being a production manager and become a full-time starving gunsmith.  Wink  He said he would be case-coloring the receiver next week. I'll pass along your responses.
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Reply #59 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:47pm
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OK........... here's Hepburn #3 (3rd CF Hepburn for me). Now wearing a new 30" half-round GM 38cal 'X' barrel with 12" twist and chambered in 38-50, all put together by Steve Durren. Also, the original 28" full-octagon original barrel was lined back to 32-40 (how it started life some 125yr ago) from the 22 Lovell someone had changed it over to. Steve fitted the wood (maple), which is off to be checkered tomorrow. Once I become so static that I want to shoot from the bench just need to swap out barrels, put on the original wood and develop loads.
  

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Reply #60 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 5:01pm
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Hepburn #2 is back in the fold with a new 32.375" long gain-twist (16.5+ to 11") Bartlein barrel chambered in 38-50. While not shown, also have a 35-40 barrel for this rifle. Has an original copy windage front sight, so should be good for iron-sight matches with the long barrel. From the bench at 200yd and a 6X scope it shot the sub-1moa groups (I made no allowance for the wind) with 2F Swiss using loads I shot last year in a different rifle, so there is hope that it will be a "shooter". Hope to have the wood back from being checkered for Hepburn #2 before to much longer.
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Reply #61 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:49pm
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Just got the wood back from being checker.ed It is going to have to live with a couple of coats of oil to keep the moisture out until it is warm enough to put some stain on outside. Looks like it will have some good figure. Will be going with Laurel Mtn Forge's Nut Brown stain.
  

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Reply #62 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 10:56pm
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WOW!!!  Shocked Very Nice!

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Reply #63 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 10:57pm
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Glen, Beautiful wood and checkering, but have a question.
Always thought wood was checkered after finishing.
Maybe Maple is different.
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Reply #64 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:15pm
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Thanks.......... turned out to be a pretty good piece of wood for $200.
I'm anything but an expert on finishing wood. I know that the 4-sets of wood I've had checkered have always been finished after checkering. Since one is cutting the wood when checkering, makes sense to me that it has to finished after the work is complete. However, I could certainly be wrong and will defer to anyone who knows.
  

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Reply #65 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 10:04am
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Checkering first means the finish will build up in the checkering. Every stock maker or checkerer I ever used told me to finish the wood first, and then checker. Then apply thin coat of finish over checkering to seal it.
  

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Reply #66 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 10:41am
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Picture of the cheekpiece side. Rifle weighs 10#7oz without sights. 30" long, half-round, #3 1/2 GM 12" twist barrel. Will be interesting to compare tomorrow to the gain-twist barrel to see if a difference in recoil is noticeable. Will be using the same ammo in both rifles.
  

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Reply #67 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 9:25pm
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I just read this front to back. Fun!
Hepburns make me happy! They are near the top of the list.
  
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Reply #68 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:53am
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Yep. Hepburns make me happy, as well. Especially with that side lever when shooting prone. Think Remington (rolling block & Hepburn) had it right for prone shooting.
  

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