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When to use/not-use magnum primers
Feb 8th, 2013 at 5:38pm
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I'm going to ASSUME that accuracy is where you find it with primers (by experimenting and trying different ones and intensities).

But when does one decide to go to a magnum primer?  Unburned powder left in the bore?   

  

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Reply #1 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 6:04pm
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I do it in load developement or if someone has sucess with another primer (mag or not) I'll buy a box and try them out.

I always start my load developement with a chronograph and look for good extreme spreads and good accuracy. Unless a load is better than the best I've shot before, I don't use one with ES's of more than 30 fps. The primers can have a great tuning effect in this area, be it mag or pistol primers. Primers can help a little with unburnt powder but, pressure is mostly what powder needs to burn.

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Reply #2 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 7:22pm
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Thanks, Frank, that makes sense.

So apart from usging a chronograph (ok I'll dig mine out this spring) what other measures of consistancy should one use?

  

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Reply #3 - Feb 9th, 2013 at 1:35am
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Frank's suggestion about using a chronograph is an excellent one. Another one is 5 and 10 shot groups on paper at a minimum of 100 yds and 200 yds if possible.
  
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Would 4 close shots and one flyer be an indication?

  

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Reply #5 - Feb 9th, 2013 at 7:54am
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Used to think 100yd was good enough. However, based on results at 200yd, if that is the distance you will be shooting your competitions at, then that is distance for your load development. Groups at 100yd do not always translate into groups at 200yd.

As stated above, primers are part of the story.
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 9th, 2013 at 8:53am
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But when does one decide to go to a magnum primer?  Unburned powder left in the bore? 

Here are good starting places to make the determination:
*   Propellant Profiles Fifth Edition
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* Powder Manufacturer's Loading Data website for specific powder

The principle for specific primers for specific powders is the degree of brisance that a given primer generates.  For black powder one wants to use the lowest brisance primer, even LP primers for calibers that call for LR primers 
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 9th, 2013 at 8:19pm
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Wow.  Was not aware of that book.  thanks.
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 9th, 2013 at 8:52pm
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CW Ball powders generally like a hotter primer due the amount of deterrent. What you want look for / achieve is the least amount of verticle dispersion while in the process of load development. The Alliant 300MP seem to prefer the magnum primers over all others. On the other hand AA-9, H-108 and WW296 don't seem to be as picky. In regards to unburnt powder left in the barrel it generally means you need to go to a hotter primer / longer burn with a slightly hotter brisance. To this date I have not seen a barrel with unburnt powder, shoot to its best ability. The extreme spreads might look good but the bullet has to make its way through all of that left behind garbage to make its way out of the barrel. If the amount of garbage remains the same from shot to shot then it might be ok but on the other hand you just end up with more fouling in the barrel and I have never found it to be good thing. One 10 shot group generally doesn't tell much as there are to many varibiles going on so you need to shoot several before you can start to draw any conclusions.

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Reply #9 - Feb 10th, 2013 at 6:54am
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Ahhhhh - less vertical dispersion = less variation in pressure/velocity.

I've always thought the leftover powder gets ironed onto the inside of the barrel - building up over time.  Some of it anyway.

  

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Reply #10 - Oct 5th, 2013 at 2:19pm
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Primers are not created equally!
One brands magnum might be weaker than another brands normal.

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As a general rule of thumb, a load calls for a magnum primer when more than 65-70grains of slow powder is used.

And BP ignites quite easily so mever use magnum primers here.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 5th, 2013 at 3:34pm
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The only place I've found magnum primers an advantage is in smokeless loadings of very long black-powder cartridges.  The .25-25 definitely does better with a magnum primer and the .40-90 SS needs a magnum primer and a Kapok tuft or I get squibs and half-burned powder.

I don't have a magnum rifle and the only magnum pistol I have is a .22 Jet.  I use magnum primers with that one, too.
  
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Re: When to use/not-use magnum primers
Reply #12 - Oct 5th, 2013 at 8:07pm
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Exactly what is "brisance"?
  

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And BP ignites quite easily so mever use magnum primers here.

Correct.  Black powder deflagurates.  Semi-Smokeless and smokeless powders explode.

Magnum primers are used dependent on the powder type to ignite it, ball, flake, stick, etc. not the volume of powder in the case... ie in 14gr of Power Pro 300-MP

With black powder because it deflagurates, the lowest briance primer is advantageous to ignite the complete powder charge at once resulting in consistent velocity, avg velocity and SD's on a round by round basis by caliber.  Magnum primers are not needed to ignite large powder charges, ie 45-110 or 120 because they all will deflagurate with a low brisance primer.  That's why even small pistol primers, if the cases existed, for large charge rounds would deflagurate the charge better.  Reason why serious BPCR shooters use pistol primers  

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Reply #14 - Oct 6th, 2013 at 7:47am
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Hi John Boy,
My how times have changed !
20 some years ago, when I was active in BPCR shoots at Shippensburg, it seemed a lot of shooters were extolling the virtues of magnum primers for BP; and recommended Federals in particular.
And I would have to pull out my vintage 1990's copy of Garbe and Venturino's book to be 100% sure, but I think they also recommended magnum primers ?
  
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