Very nice macca , especially being that it's repeatable. The swaged bullets we were talking about are swaged from extruded lead wire of the proper diameter for the bullet being swaged, most seem to believe that it has advantages over cast bullets because there are no air bubbles, dirt or voids in the bullet.

One of the differences in these new bullets is that the lube is impregnated into the lead and they may hold more lube than standard lube groove bullet. 

BTW, they can be bought for as little as .36 each, not .55 like John has said. There are three grades that the maker offers, Grade A, Grade AA, and Grade AAA. They are really the same bullets, the only difference is that the AAA Grade is weighted to +/-0 grains and the others are not, a shooter can buy the A Grade bullet at .36, or maybe even a bit less in quantity, that may vary +/- 0.2 grains, they can then weigh and sort their own AAA Grade bullets if the saving is important to them.

I can say this from experience, you can not buy cast bullets that will weigh anywhere near that close, I've tried just about every cast bullet offered for sale an the best of them would only shoot 1.75" to 2 inch groups, ok for tin cans but not really competitive for target shooting, finely started casting my own and the groups got smaller but most were not good enough to shoot center shots.

After I worked up a load with the swaged bullets I now very seldom get groups much over 1/2 inch and they are always under 1 inch. Now I feel I'm somewhat competitive.

John seems to worry that they are to expensive for new beginning shooters, but the scope he uses cost about as much as some rifles     , but he likes to say things like "I'm in it to win it", so the cost of what it takes to "win" may not matter to him, there a word a guys like that but I don't remember what it is, I think it starts with a H and ends with an e      

That's it for me, guys can shoot to win, or shoot to just say they shot.
S T

ssdave wrote on Feb 6^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:



But one of the motivations to do extremely well are the Scheutzenmeisters that DON'T post the results of the matches because they aren't good enough!

Look at the last 6 matches I've shot.  (ahhh, you can't because only one or two of them were reported either on this board or in the Journal.)

Yes, that irritates me.  Because it is one of the MOST important things to be able to show to the people that I BRING to the matches to show them how I've improved over time and give them encouragement to continue.

<end of rant>

If John Lewis is a fanatic in the persuit of accuracy, that's good.  I likely will NEVER shoot as well as he does, but because of his penchant for accuracy I've examined my own methods and procedures and improved MY skills.

<end of 2nd rant>

SS Dave by the life of me I sure would like to know where I excluded anyone who enjoys anything other than extreme accuracy. Please show me where I posted it on this site? I think you find just the opposite as I have clearly stated its not for everyone, some shoot for fun, some just like shoot the originals and others have other reasons and I support them all.There are some here whom pursue the same as I and that is the group I am posting to in an effort to be of some help. The problem lies in those who don't share the same interest and instead of moving onto another subject start a bunch of BS that isn't relevant to anything. Then there are those who know little, achieved little but say allot on how to go about doing what they themselves can't do. 

J.Louis

I get the best of both world, Wednesday and Friday afternoons practice the old retired farts like myself get to have pleasant social shoot with much banter. Twice an month we shoot Serious competition-one short range one long range. Still plenty of banter but still trying to win on the day.
I'd love to shoot swaged bullets but the cost of setting up out here is pretty outrageous. There are no swaged bullets for sale. So l will keep refining my casting methods and make the variances in my batches less
cheers macca

Cross your fingers that Dave Patterson doesn't show up. He doesn't hide and will take all the money. 

                Joe G.   

But we would like to see targets from other shooters as well. I would like to see how well those swaged bullets do compared to my unweighed reject bullets with air pockets and rounded bases. I would agree to Joe B. changing the challenge to award the money for the smallest average group size demonstrated by averaging five groups shot in sequence on one target within one hour. This is really not about who is the best shooter; but trying to demonstrate to Joe B. what the capabilities of our cast bullet single shot rifles are.

Then maybe there will be more interest from new shooters on what is required to fine tune your rifle and yourself to achieve the same precision with your single shot rifle (regardless if it is a fully custom modern action or a traditional action).

joeb33050 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 6:13am:


YOUR CAPS-LOCK KEY IS STUCK!
It is MUCH easier to read using capitals and lower-case letters!

Sometimes when I read one of Joe's post's, (not often) I wind up chasing my hat. 

     Joe. 

The money awaits the next 1/2 MOA shooter to come forward. Hopefully the winner will share some of his knowledge of how he achieved his precision shooting of plain base cast bullets.

Westerner, do you remember in 2006 my Miller was only shooting 1 1/2 MOA groups and I told you I would fine tune it before the next year. In 2007 I shot a 1245/1250. Yes, fine tuning a rifle can make it shoot much smaller groups.