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Ruger #1 finish?
Jan 28th, 2013 at 1:21pm
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I recently got an older (1974) Ruger #1-B.  The finish was bad but the price was good.  It looks like some kind of a verethane finish.  Chipped out in places.  Scrapes off easily.  Way back when,  I had an early (22xx) rifle and I am sure that was an oil finish.  The other #1's I have here (turn of the century) have oil finishes.   Am I seeing an after market finish here?

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Reply #1 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 2:58pm
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Hard to say without a picture, but No. 1s with glossy finishes do show up. Actually, I have a 1A 270 from 1970 that is quite glossy.
You're right, the early, non-prefix rifles had a hand applied GB Linspeed oil finish. After 1970, it was a sprayed on finish of some sort.
Your later rifles, while they may look like an oil finish, are almost certainly a spray chamber, electrostatic finish.
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Reply #2 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 5:04pm
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Thanks for that information.  I compared it with an 1998  and a 2004 and the finish on the 1974 I just got doesn't look anything like either of them.  I'll take a picture next time I have the camera set up, but doubt that you would be able to see much.

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Reply #3 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 7:07pm
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I've had both dull and glossy. I would be that the glossy one is automotive clearcoat.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 8:03pm
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if it is chipping  and coming off easy I'd guess its an after market job by someone who liked shiney and sprayed it on over an oil and it has started separating due to inter-coat adhesion problems and differential shrinkage
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 29th, 2013 at 12:30pm
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That's what I think too.  I'm going to strip it off anyway and refinish the rifle so it really doesn't matter.  Here is a picture of what I'm looking at.

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Reply #6 - Jan 29th, 2013 at 9:27pm
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Definitely agree with DW's statement, looks like someone added new finish over the existing and they were not at all compatible.

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Reply #7 - Jan 29th, 2013 at 10:20pm
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Sure looks like peeling urethane to me.  the pores underneath do not look well filled.  It may not be oil underneath or just a light coat. 

Recoating with older urethanes can be tricky.  timing is critical too soon or too late and you can get peeling like that unless you let it cure out and then scuff sand and completely clean the substrate coat(s).
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 9:45am
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That looks very much like what I got when I used polyurethane varnish over a  sanding sealer that contained stearate on some furniture.
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Reply #9 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 10:18am
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Next step will be to strip this off.  I have some JASCO Paint and Varnish Remover which might take it off.  I don't want to mess up the checkering or I'd just scrape it off and then sand things smooth.  Being a "pre-plastic rifle" Marine, the new finish will be oil.

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Reply #10 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 11:36pm
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The finish is correct.  I have a 1-A that I bought new in 1975 and have hunted with ever since.  The finish is glossy and peeling in places, just like yours.  As a side note, Ruger sure put some nice wood on those early Number 1's.
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 31st, 2013 at 7:28am
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AJ wrote on Jan 30th, 2013 at 11:36pm:
The finish is correct.  I have a 1-A that I bought new in 1975 and have hunted with ever since.  The finish is glossy and peeling in places, just like yours.  As a side note, Ruger sure put some nice wood on those early Number 1's.

I have to agree, but assumed many here wouldn't and I have no interest in a pi**ing contest
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 31st, 2013 at 10:35am
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OK, if that is an original finish, how the heck do you "repair" it if that is even possible.  The two #1's I bought in 1967 or 8 had oil finish and the wood was pretty plain.

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Reply #13 - Jan 31st, 2013 at 1:53pm
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You can't "repair" that finish in the picture. That will require a stripping and refinish in my opinion.
Two thoughts came to mind when I saw it. One was that the stock had been wet at some point, as I have seen older Remingtons bubble like that when they got wet. The other was that it may be a salt-cured stock or at least one that was not cured well enough before being finished.
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 31st, 2013 at 4:45pm
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I see tiny scratches in some of the divots, and in a couple of places I see scratches in the remaining finish running beyond the divots. All the scratches appear to be pretty much parallel. I see here a finish film that was compromised, allowing some agent--maybe just atmospheric water--to penetrate and start the process. Sometimes the new gee-whiz plasticized finishes are very thin, and scratches that are hardly noticeable get the destruction started.

It's right that you can't repair this damage. You have to remove ALL of it and begin again. Been there with furniture. Manufacturers who use the stuff are fixated on the bottom line, and see their products almost as temporary throw aways. It's certainly the case in the furniture world. Not much being built these days with a mind to things still being in use by the buyers' heirs in a couple of centuries.
  

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