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Prototype Highwall Action
Dec 12th, 2012 at 6:26am
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I have acquired a Highwall action that wa presented to me as a prototype action. You can see from the pictures that it has Action E stamped on the left side of the action and a serial number of 111169. Can anyone tell me anything about this?
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 6:28am
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Reply #2 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 6:31am
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Also forgot to mention, it is coil spring action.
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 7:58am
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Not sure if someone was attempting to make a takedown out of a solid frame or not. Don't think there are enough threads left in that receiver to hold a barrel even for show.
  

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Reply #4 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 8:36am
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It is not a prototype but a reference action that was kept on hand for part comparison. Winchester had many large drawers of parts for each firearm they made. I have a few parts. I found a new barrel in 32-40 for a take down that I intend to try just to see if shoots as good as the bore looks. As I remember the parts were all in the white so the tang was probably added later.
I saw for several drawers for the Winchester 92 and 94 at a local shop several years ago. Was sad they were not for the 1885. Cheers,
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Reply #5 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 10:10am
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Look at the inside the tangs and on the front of the action to see if there are marks that indicate its past. There may be inspectors initials or other identifying marks. For example, MNS or MVNS probably means that the material is Midvale Nickel Steel. Campbell's books have a lot of the details on marks. I'm almost certain that Action E was made of an experimental type of steel.

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Reply #6 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 3:44pm
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If the lower tang is original to that receiver, it didn't start out as a coil spring action. Coil spring actions had an A stamped at the end of the tang.      ...MIKE...
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 7:38pm
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I am reasonably sure the action is one of the patterns use as gauges at the Winchester factory. According to the Campbell books there were 20 drawers of model parts. It looks like someone has done a bit of grinding on the action and I would doubt if the tang is original to the action. There was a  mate to this action with the same notch in the barrel shank for sale with in the last year which was in much better condition. I do not remember who had it but it was also listed as pattern.

These parts were used a gauges to be sure tolerances were kept and parts would interchange. If you look at page 197 of Volume one of the Campbell book you will see what the drawers looked like. Most of the parts were marked or had tags identifying what they were.

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Reply #8 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 7:40pm
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I checked and the initials MWS appear on the underside of the upper tang. As there are minimal threads currently, would you say that someone has tampered with the action? It wouldn't have been like that originally would it?
  
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Reply #9 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 9:25pm
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JWL, 

Do you have a picture of a front view of the action looking straight at the firing pin hole in the breech block? 

  

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Reply #10 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 10:21pm
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MWS sounds like an experimental steel. If so, they may have proofed it to some really high pressure. The missing chunk may have been removed for metallurgical testing, or because they didn't want anyone to use it again.

OTOH MWS may be a toolroom mark or inspector's mark. 

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Reply #11 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:38pm
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My guess is the mark is MVS which is for Open Hearth Soft steel from Midvale Steel Co. It could also be  MNS which is .45 Carbon Steel. For what ever reason Winchester used the first letter of the company followed by NS for the 3 companies that are listed in the Campbell Volume I supplying .45 Carbon steel. 

MNN is the mark for Midvale Nickel Steel. 

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Reply #12 - Dec 13th, 2012 at 4:01pm
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Thanks for all of the information. That's what I like about this forum. A lot of guys with a lot of knowledge.
  
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