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Reply #45 - Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:14pm
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The other side.
  
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Reply #46 - Jan 8th, 2013 at 10:37pm
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Nice wood going to be real pretty rifle..
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Reply #47 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 8:14pm
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Mike that's not your Borchardt. Even though it is real pretty. FITZ. Smiley
  

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Reply #48 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 9:17pm
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Fitz, your correct, these are 2 pictures that Gail took for me so I woud I would imagine that is some ones CPA Stevens sporting new woode.
  
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Reply #49 - Jan 10th, 2013 at 2:31am
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A very nice looking stock, the grain in the pistol grip is running nice and 'square on' for fitting to the back of the action. No pics from Joe?

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Reply #50 - Feb 4th, 2013 at 10:32pm
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In digging around for information on this Borchardt of mine I spoke with Dick Binger tonight, when I explained how the breech block was scalloped and that the cross section of the rear of the action that butts up to the butt stock was also contoured Dick said that was for sure a Long Range action that Zishang built up.
I have a really nice Stevens Model 368 6 power scope that will be installed with the mounts milled into the Krupp barrel. This project is moving right along. I would still like to put an extra barrel together for it and mentioned a .40 cal to Dick and he though it should be a Krieger in 40-50 Sharps, low recoil but accurate to 200 yards.
As soon as I get some pics I will post them. The two master smiths of times past that I would have loved to have met in person would be Fruend and Zischang.
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Reply #51 - Feb 5th, 2013 at 4:28am
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Hello Mike,
Glad to see you haven't forgotten us. lol. You can differentiate between a Borchardt constructed for Long Range  usage from all other Borchardts. The rifle as built by Sharps was too heavy to make the weight requirement for Creedmoor Shooting and so several weight reducing measures had to be taken. 

Excess weight was removed by additional machining to the action body, the stock bolt and the breechblock.

The breechblock had a 'scallop' of metal as you call it removed from the underside of the firing pin housing behind the breechblock. The stock bolt was drilled through internally for its full length, effectively making it a tube with a thread on one end and a slotted head on the other. The action body had the side panels housings cut out, the top of the receiver ring was sculpted, as was the underside at the front of the action. Viewing the action from the front the usual Borchardt would have a hole centrally placed below the barrel with a rectangular notch cut on the left hand side. Most of this metal was removed leaving just a thin outer shell of metal. Finally most of the metal web between the upper and lower tangs was removed leaving just a spigot for the stock bolt to screw into. The same alterations were made on the Mid Range Borchards.

Unless your action has all these refinements, it was not a totally original LR Rifle. (these were usually built to order only) It could well have been made up from parts obtained from Schuster, Hartley and Graham the NY based International Arms Company who bought what was left from the Sharps Co., when it closed including cases of Borchardts and spare parts for the both the Borchardt and the 1874 Model Sharps, they were still selling these rifles by the case and the spares some 25 yeaqrs after the Sharps Factory closed it's doors. Given that Zischang's gunsmiths shop in NY it is likely that S,H&G were the source of his supply of rifles and components.

Continued below. 

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Reply #52 - Feb 5th, 2013 at 4:49am
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Continued from above.

The Borchardt was only numbered in one place, on the action. Individual parts were not serial numbered except on the Hugo Borchardt designed DST's where every component of the DST was serial numbered. So it's possible your action was just an assembly of parts.

That's not to say it's a bad thing, every component was mass produced just like today and parts were just picked up from the appropriate bin just as weapons and other mass produced items are still assembled. As it appears that Zischang rebuilt your rifle it is likely he had a choice of parts to select. He seems to have specialised in Schuetzen Rifles as this was a very popular form of shooting at that time and Zischang's DST's were permitted. His barrels were also in great demand, so much so, he once had to refuse to take an order for barrels from a captain of one of the USA's International Shooting Teams he was just too busy, even though by then his son was fully trained and working in his workshop.

A.O.Zischang retired in 1919 leaving his son in charge but he continued to come in and build some of his DST's for several years.

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Reply #53 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:25pm
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Hey Mike,
Many of us are anxiously waiting to see the outcome of this Zischang Borchardt.  Almost a year has gone by since we last heard news of this.  Any progress to report?  Bob
  
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Reply #54 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:26pm
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Hi, I got to talk to joseph Lozito just before Christmas and he said a couple of more weeks still. he has been busy, but the stock work is just about complete and the triggers are finished.
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Reply #55 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 1:46pm
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any more progress? anxious to see it....Don
  
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Reply #56 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:07pm
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Hi Mike,

My hats off to you for your patience. I'm sure the wait will be worth it. 

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Reply #57 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:10pm
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Thanks go to all of you for showing me to wait, and wait some more if needed. Joseph is a bit slow but his workmanship is excellent. His triggers are almost exact copies of the Zischang ones.
  
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Reply #58 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 1:22pm
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Anything new to tell us?  Don
  
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Reply #59 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 1:57pm
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Not yet. As soon as I hear anything I will let you know.
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