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Sep 29th, 2012 at 5:50pm
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Reply #1 - Sep 29th, 2012 at 6:30pm
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nice photography,  too bad about that camel-back lock though Grin
  

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Reply #2 - Sep 29th, 2012 at 7:22pm
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Right down to that screwhead. Sweet.

Have to ask about the lighting. One candle flame below the camera's lens? I like the way that one line of light follows the cock all the way up.
  

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Reply #3 - Sep 29th, 2012 at 9:34pm
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Was looking for something else when I happened onto this picture. Dont remember taking it so is new to me. Dont know how I managed the lighting but think it is excellent and really shows the style that was lavished on our firearms. Even without the engraving the lines flow.
Did these craftsmen design on paper first? Did it turn out this way as it was manufactured? 

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Reply #4 - Sep 30th, 2012 at 6:36am
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How about this one? My patched ball rifle: note tha damascus pattern on the barrel.
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Here's the rest of it:
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Reply #6 - Sep 30th, 2012 at 1:30pm
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Very handsome, Fred.   

What caliber?  Swiss? Austrian? German?


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Reply #7 - Sep 30th, 2012 at 2:32pm
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Belgian. The Ronge factory survived until 1914, making high quality sporting rifles and shotguns.
I was told when I bought it that it was 25 gauge and this seems to be correct. It tales a 9/16" dia ball with a 15thou patch. All the metalwork which is now bright was originally colour case hardened and traces of this remain. I am / was a mechanical design engineer, but I can't figure out haw the damascus barrel was made--how do you maintain accurately spaced patterned laminates through a forging process? The picture makes the etching look red rust--infact it is a dark brown colour.
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Reply #8 - Sep 30th, 2012 at 2:50pm
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That's a very good question, Fred. I'm a fan of Damascus barrels. The only thing that I know about how they are form is what I've read in Greeners book "The Gun" and a couple of other articles I've read over the years.

A lot of people look down on Damascus barrels but, they were THEE quality barrel of their day and if made well stronger than many other forms of barrel making.

I'm sure that there was a lot of artistry involved with the manufacture of them and probably a lot a secrets kept in how the patterns were developed.

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i've never owned a damascis shotgun, but have read a lot about them.They are simply not safe with smokeless shells.I read in an old NRA reloading manual that FFG will procure the same velocity with only 1/2 the pressure of smokeless.But one would need to reload his own BP shells since i do not think there is anywhere one could buy them,except in the UK.They still shoot them.
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 30th, 2012 at 3:28pm
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I've never owned a shotgun-I like accuracy- but it is true that there are many in use in Britain and Europe with damascus barrels. To say that they are not safe is rubbish: structures such as damascus twist are really the only kind for which proof is really valid and the proof houses re-test and pass for nitro hundreds of them every year.
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Reply #11 - Sep 30th, 2012 at 3:35pm
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The Damascus pattern was popular enough that an imitation pattern was sometimes etched into the surface of some newer fluid-steel barrels, which were safe with smokeless. Make sure you know just what you are looking at.

  

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Reply #12 - Sep 30th, 2012 at 4:17pm
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I'm not sure exactly how damascus got the bad rap that exist today but, I'll assume it is because the barrels of that day were shot with BP and not taken good care of. Some people think they are made of spaghetti and a sneeze with unravel them. It may be true that barrels that we're rusted through failed, just as a fluid steel would but, in good condition they are just as strong as a fluid steel, as they are forged.

I have a Bonehill SXS 12 Ga external hammer, Damascus barreled shot gun that I regularly shoot both 1 & 1 1/8 field and target cartridges out of. It and my 20 ga RB shot gun are my digger squirrel guns.

Lets not turn this into a Damascus strength thread and take away from these beautiful rifles.

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Reply #13 - Oct 5th, 2012 at 3:25pm
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Damacus steel barrels were made by wrapping strips of twisted and folded steel and iron from a forge over a mandrel, so to say the barrel. The strips were welded to each other when they were hot. After finishing to rough barrel they made the outside of the barrel. When almost finished the barrel was etched and the pattern of the twisted steel and iron come to the surface giving them the beautiful texture.
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 14th, 2012 at 10:36pm
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Damascus barrels are works of art. And you can still purchase a new shot gun made in Italy with a damascus barrel, but boy will you pay. The thing that gave Damascus barrels a bad name was that unscrupulous gun makers making a really cheap gun would use iron/steel pipe that had a seam in it. In the manufacturing process they used something like acid to etch a damascus pattern onto the plain steel barrel. These were the barrels that blew up/out. Old damascus barrels are safe to shot as long as you check them very thoroughly. I had mine magnafluxed and then x ray ed to make sure. Ask Dick Binger about shooting old barrels though, Dick lost a few fingers with a barrel just loaded with a noisemaker load and a wad, it came apart on him during a reenactment. So if you do shoot these old barrels you may have a problem even with a below normal load. You just never know. 
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