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e15cap Ex Member	Pope cleaning Rod? Sep 16^th, 2012 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	In the latest Precision Shooting mag there is an article on the Kimber 82 and how he modified it to use his Pope style cleaning rod. What is a Pope style cleaning rod? Best, Roger


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11438 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #1 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 2:28am	Print Post
	Never heard of it. Joe.

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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #2 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 7:30am	Print Post
	FWIW Ken Meyers (QuarterBore) on the site here is making repros of some of the old original cleaning rods. I know he does a couple of the Factory ones and I'm pretty sure he does Pope's version too. PM him he may have the answer if he does not pick up on this thread.

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RJM Full Member Offline Posts: 212 Location: State of Confusion Joined: Oct 15^th, 2006	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #3 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 8:14am	Print Post
	I have a Pope style rod from Joe Ruth. It's 40" long, made of 3/16" piano wire. A jag is turned on one end & has a series of grooves on the other end so your hand doesn't slip. The storage case is a piece of brass tube, threaded for metal covers from tire valve stems. (Pope was a practical guy!) There's also a bore guide turned from brass that looks like a 22 case with a thicker knurled rim. When I got it, Joe said it was probably the last one he'd make. Regards, Ron


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7540 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #4 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 10:21am	Print Post
	Anybody have a photo of a Pope Rod ? I make up some rods in my shop. Delrin Flexible and nice wood Shotgun rods, Like to try a Pope. Shotgun rods jag turned on the end of a nice Walnut dowel handled up pretty is better than screw in jags. Holds the patch good less to scratch up the barrel I keep a real simple .22 rod trunk of my car all the time. More than once it's helped me or somebody else out at matches. Popes sounds like a good design for that job. Boats


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32-35 Junior Member Offline Posts: 79 Joined: Jul 10^th, 2007	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #5 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 3:11pm	Print Post
	Here's pictures of my rod made by Joe Ruth, in partnership with the late Don Ballenger. Mine is serial number BR 18 (the "BR" is for Ballenger and Ruth). I bought this from Joe about the mid-1990's. John Gross (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7540 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #6 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 3:22pm	Print Post
	Thanks and a nice piece of lathe work, should not be hard to do. Any advice on 3/16 piano stock sources ? Boats


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Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 Oldtimer Offline Tom Trevor Posts: 688 Location: Granada Hills Ca. Joined: Jun 16^th, 2004	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #7 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	I forgot they were numbered mine is BR 22


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ron Oldtimer Offline Posts: 576 Location: Augusta Maine Joined: Nov 15^th, 2009	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #8 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	I checked in MSC and the largest size is 1/8" for Music Wire. You can get 3/16" in drill rod in 36" length. I have used drill rod to make many one piece cleaning rods. If you have a lathe that has a collet set up it is easy to make a screw together rod with smooth butt joints. ron


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MIKE-T Oldtimer Offline [SHOOTCAST> Posts: 636 Location: Wexford Township Michigan Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #9 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 6:40pm	Print Post
	Boats, the larger hobby shops carry it for model airplane axle material, longest I've seen comes in 36" lengths, it is piano/music wire which is spring wire with a piano/music gauge size, some of it is VERY hard, most of the material for the model airplane axles is softer and can be bent to form the axle but still maintains it's flexibility/springiness, you should be able to machine it with sharp decent steel grade carbide tooling. Mike Grainger has the kind I use to wind coil springs with: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Straight music wire UK Model shop, should be some place in the USA: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Must say I never used 1/8" spring material, usually .010" to .047" for gun springs. boats wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 3:22pm: Thanks and a nice piece of lathe work, should not be hard to do. Any advice on 3/16 piano stock sources ? Boats
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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #10 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 7:15pm	Print Post
	One of my music wire sources: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Another: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Frankly, however, I make them from drill rod. Music wire has a very hard skin that is a real pain to cut on a lathe.

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UtahDave Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 395 Location: Heber City, Utah Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #11 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 9:35pm	Print Post
	Why not brass? Strength is not an issue and it would be easier to machine plus it probably would not scratch the bore. Dave


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #12 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	Dave, Brass is soft and a harder material can embed into its surface, turning it into a lap that cuts. I have a friend who used to pick up discarded range brass off the ground after target practice. He found some 45 ACP brass and ran it through the tumbler when he got home. The eighth case he ran through his sizer die had picked up a piece of grit that was hard enough to leave a good scratch in the dies surface, which showed up on the subsequent cases he ran through it. Now maybe consider that scratch happening in your rifle chamber each time you run the brass cleaning rod through it.

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ron Oldtimer Offline Posts: 576 Location: Augusta Maine Joined: Nov 15^th, 2009	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #13 - Sep 18^th, 2012 at 7:02am	Print Post
	BP that is a very good point. How many cleaning rods does on see made from brass? That is why I like to make the ones that I make out of drill rod. ron


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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Pope cleaning Rod? Reply #14 - Sep 18^th, 2012 at 7:26am	Print Post
	The best 22 rf cleaning rods are made from precision ground and polished, and hardened stainless spring steel that are closely matched to exact bore diameter. They don't pick up grit and they don't flex and wobble in the bore. Aluminum, brass and plasticized coatings on rods all can do that

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