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Vintage scope on a Ballard
Sep 12th, 2012 at 8:10pm
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New to the forum, would this be he place to post pics of a scope that I am trying to ID? it is what I think to be an early Malcolm scope that is mounted on a Ballard rifle.

If not the place could one point me in the right direction.

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Re: Vintage scope on a Ballard
Reply #1 - Sep 12th, 2012 at 8:36pm
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Welcome Greg,
I'm glad you found us.

Yes, this is the place to post pics of your scope.

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Reply #2 - Sep 12th, 2012 at 9:15pm
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Re: Vintage scope on a Ballard
Reply #3 - Sep 13th, 2012 at 5:34pm
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Beautiful combo! Sure looks like an old Malcolm, but I believe the old Malcolms had some markings on them. Maybe it's a very early one though. Seems to also not have typical Malcolm rear mount with vernier adjustment. Looks more like a loosen and slide setup, where accurate adjustment is not as critical, like a hunter's setup.
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 13th, 2012 at 6:50pm
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Thanks! If there is a marking it is very small in some hidden place. The rear mount is just that, loosen and adjust. 

I plan on taking it to the range next week to try some black powder loads in it. It is a 32-40.
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Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2012 at 6:24am
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Beautiful. Have you been able to identify which model it is from Dutcher's Ballard book? If you post a pic or two of the receiver am guessing someone here can help with the identification.
  

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Re: Vintage scope on a Ballard
Reply #6 - Sep 14th, 2012 at 6:57am
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Looks like a #9 Union Hill to me.  Nice! Thanks for posting the pictures. 

Use smokeless loads please. BP is hard on everything.

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Reply #7 - Sep 14th, 2012 at 11:34am
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I would NEVER shoot straight smokeless in a Ballard,i always used nothing but BP in my #4 Perfection ballard in a 38-55.It's sad that i had to sell it,but these things do happen-we all get reverses now and then.Just rebember about smokeless-one mistake and you're rifle is history. I do not recommend Trail Boss in a 32-40, but it was designed to prevent double charging.
  
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Re: Vintage scope on a Ballard
Reply #8 - Sep 14th, 2012 at 12:24pm
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I normally don't like to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, but please be aware that shooting smokeless in that rifle may be a dangerous affair for not only you, but anyone that may be near you as you do. As was pointed out to you on another forum, it appears that the receiver is a cast steel version as indicated by the three line address as well as the concave top flat of the receiver. These were manufactured as the #3 gallery rifle, normally in .22 or .25 rimfire.

If you have had the reciever identified as a forged steel version (by a knowledgable person) I appologize, but last I read, it didn't seem you had.

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Reply #9 - Sep 14th, 2012 at 12:47pm
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It has a lot of similarities to a John Sidle shown in the book Pope's Barrels by Ray M Smith on page 115.

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Reply #10 - Sep 14th, 2012 at 1:39pm
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Wait a minute guy's. He does know that it's a cast frame and the down falls of that. I invited him over to this forum for info on his scope and that is what he's asking about. Lets not beat him up. I told him this is a very friendly knowledgeable forum Smiley

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Reply #11 - Sep 14th, 2012 at 3:32pm
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Not beating him up at all. Sorry Greg, didn't mean anything by it. But there was a recommendation to shoot it with smokeless from somebody who didn't know the specifics of the rifle.

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Re: Vintage scope on a Ballard
Reply #12 - Sep 14th, 2012 at 3:56pm
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That would be me. I do know the specifics of #9 Ballard rifles. And I do highly recommend shooting smokeless powder in them. BP is nasty stuff and very corrosive. Also very difficult to get good accuracy. You'll get BP accuracy.

Smokeless on the other hand is clean burning and can be loaded to lower pressures than BP. Has been perfectly safe in Ballards for over a century. 

If it is a cast Ballard, I still recommend using smokeless powder. 
Much safer than BP in a cast Ballard.

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Reply #13 - Sep 14th, 2012 at 5:28pm
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Smokeless on the other hand is clean burning and can be loaded to lower pressures than BP. Has been perfectly safe in Ballards for over a century.


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If I read you correctly, you're saying it's the pressure that counts, not the powder, and I can agree with that. 

  

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Re: Vintage scope on a Ballard
Reply #14 - Sep 14th, 2012 at 5:37pm
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When using the correct type of powder for reduced loads, absolutely. It seems there are some who think all smokeless loads are high pressure loads. Not true.  One can use reduced loads of BP to reduce pressure also. You still have the bad effects and poor accuracy BP produces.
Reduced smokeless loads have been used in Ballards as well as shotguns and pistols for over a century. In hand loads and factory loads still produced and for sale in stores today. 

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