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American Indian Rifle??
Jul 26th, 2012 at 5:39pm
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This looks to me to be an old husqvarna military carbine someone has decorated up to make some money on. Good story though :european manufacture for sales to the indians"...

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Reply #1 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 12:12am
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Schwartz,

The northern Great Plains were just awash in guns in the late 19th century.  Read Andrew Garcia's "Tough Trip through Paradise" to get a feel for the way guns got traded to the Indians.

A lot of milsurp ended up in the mix, including 50-70 trapdoors. Scandinavian RRBs?  I never heard of that, but that doesn't mean it did not happen.  I guess I would be skeptical.  Is there any documentation with this gun?  the seller says it is a consignment item, so there is an owner.  Make him/her cough up.  Otherwise it is a $200 gun, max.

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Reply #2 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 7:07am
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one of the most common "fakes" in the antique/collectable gun business is the "indian gun"  along with the "trappers cabin" rifles.  Anyone with an old beat up gun, some old brass tacks rusty wire, and rawhide can make one up---and many many have done so.  There may well be some real ones that are well documented but unless there is real solid authenticated provenance documentation I automatically consider any such to be fakes----no matter what the current owner/seller believes. 
And fwiw, just because it was in a museum at one time proves total zilch.  many older local museums had staff with little or no skill, and even less firearms knowledge. 
 
An examination by a knowledgable student shows most up pretty quickly.

bear in mind too. that a beat up old winchester model 70 or even  an AR15 picked up on an indian reservation last summer is a real  "Indian rifle"
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 10:48am
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Can't see it. It comes up as an invalid link.
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 11:23am
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Indian rifle? - Husqvarna with serial on the butt plate
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... but it looks to be a European offshoot manufactured possibly to sell to the Native American population in the 1870's and 1880's.
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Reply #5 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 2:37pm
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This seller's descriptions remind me of an old Simpsons episode where the family tours a made up western town where something historical may or may not have happened, by people who may or may not have been there. Grin
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 4:37pm
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don;t know about the rifle/action-----seems too new to me.   BUT those tacks are all just WRONG and there is no patina around them.  Butt plate and wood juncture is too clean and sharp.   Run away from that one VERY fast.

just looked at the pictures.  I have seen and handled a few genuine plains indian rifles,  a couple 'rollers a Henry and a couple Spencers, plus some flintlock/percussion trade guns.   That thing barely qualifies as a poor quality fake---just based on tacks, rawhide and lack of patina.  I tried to send the seller a message, but I'd have to register on GB and I don't want to do that.  He says its consignment,  either he's playing dumb to hook a sucker or someone is trying to pull the wool over his eyes.  Better add this is just my own semi-educated opinion
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Reply #7 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 5:14pm
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Butt plate and wood juncture is too clean and sharp.
Plus bolts in the extractor & trigger guard to hold sling swivel are missing.  And so is the firing pin
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 5:27pm
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I posted a link to this thread to the seller and got the following response.

"I listed that one a long ago and kind of forgot about it.  I tell everybody in my store that it was made to deceive, but when I originally listed it (automatically relists) I just used the consignee's description (came in with a very large group of guns)."

Begs the question: If you know it is not what you claim why have you not corrected the lsiting...

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Reply #9 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 6:53pm
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'cause he's hoping for a sucker Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #10 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 8:27pm
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Would make for a neat lamp stand.
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 13th, 2012 at 12:25am
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it has a strong resemblance to a jamie two feather rifle which would make it an Indian rifle about 25-30 years ago he was buying old rifles dressing them up and selling them, the wife bought one of them  i believe it is a old  turk in 43 spanish  rifle. I have not peeled the rawhide wraps to find our because it is hers and she likes it no matter what it is and it is a rather eye catching piece, he had a bad habit of removing the firing pins.
  
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Reply #12 - Aug 13th, 2012 at 1:50pm
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This gives me an idea, a couple of years ago a friend gave me an incomplete SMLE No.4. I should go by ACE and get me a few tacks and some raw hide, make a pretty rare "Indian Rifle". Grin
  

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Reply #13 - Aug 17th, 2012 at 7:47pm
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SchwarzStock wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
This gives me an idea, a couple of years ago a friend gave me an incomplete SMLE No.4. I should go by ACE and get me a few tacks and some raw hide, make a pretty rare "Indian Rifle". Grin


Yep - And, if you get braced, you can always say you meant "the Raj"/India type Indians.   .  Wink  .  Roll Eyes


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Reply #14 - Aug 24th, 2012 at 2:05pm
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No firing pin, I have  Norway roller, broke the pin, if it is like it there are not any pins I had to get a man to make me one. Huge pain.
  
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