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Devaluation for relining barrel
May 27th, 2012 at 12:57pm
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I read with interest peoples opinion of devaluating a
rifle by getting it relined.  A friend of mine had a 
Stevens I believe it was a model 51 that had a Parker
Hale liner in it.  It was not a Pope barrel and was 
relined years ago.  Would that decrease the value
since the original bore was probably all rusted because
of the period .22 ammo or no?
  
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Reply #1 - May 27th, 2012 at 2:41pm
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Charlie,
It all depends on whether your a shooter or a collector. If you shoot a crap barrel will not give you a decent score, or perhaps reduce the vermin in your area. If your a collector, then you may not be quite so fussy. Personally I like firearms I can shoot accurately. If a rifle doesn't do that, then to me it's worthless. Purely my own opinion of course. A 'Parker Rifled' barrel is probably more accurate than the original rifle was, if the gunsmith who did the relining knew his job.

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Re: Devaluation for relining barrel
Reply #2 - May 27th, 2012 at 4:11pm
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Unless your in to firearms only for the money most of us like to shoot what we buy or collect. Given a choice of shooting an ugly abused firearm or one in reasonably good condition no one is going to choose the abused firearm unless they can't afford anything else. When it comes down to it if shooting is all you want to do then certainly reline. I choose to broaden my firearms appeal to both shooter/collectors, shooters and just collectors. I 'd have no problem buying a beat up gun just to shoot but sometimes the difference between a collectible and a rust bucket is closer then you think with current pricing and crazy ratings on quality.

Given a choice of three firearms of the same model one with a lousy bore, one with a good bore and one with a relined bore, what would you buy? All things being equal ( as they can ever be ) a firearm that is collectible is the one with the best of everything. Relining a barrel most definetly decreases a decent frearms value not  so much  or not at all on a junker.
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Reply #3 - May 27th, 2012 at 4:59pm
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If all original and the bore is in poor shape a new barrel would be a better choice as one could then put the original back on at a latter date if need be for collect-ability.

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Re: Devaluation for relining barrel
Reply #4 - May 27th, 2012 at 9:43pm
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This one gets kicked around from time to time. With me it is a matter of degree. If the bore is not pristine, but still shoots with reasonable accuracy, I think it would be worth more if not relined. If the bore is a total sewer pipe, it would be worth more relined, UNLESS it is an extremely rare and valuable gun.
  
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Reply #5 - May 27th, 2012 at 10:58pm
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My feeling is a gun with a worn out barrel is worth less than an equal gun with a properly installed liner. Of course a relined gun is worth less than an original with a nice bore, but the key is the original bore condition. I doubt anyone would pay more for a original gun with a sewer pipe bore vs. a relined gun.
  

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Reply #6 - May 28th, 2012 at 11:05am
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I guess I am more of a shooter than collector although I have owned some Stevens that were
collectable as well as good shooters.  I am more
interested in how well they shoot than how valuable
they are.  Thanks for your thoughts.
  
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Reply #7 - May 28th, 2012 at 12:35pm
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I get this question often, because I am in the business of relining and replacing barrels.  There are a lot of so called collectors out there that can't tell if a gun has been rebuilt, if the rebuild is done properly. There are some shops that can replace all the original lettering on a new barrel and put the right type of blue on. Look at what Doug Turnbull does and he is not the only one. I have customers that are collectors that will send me a rifle with a pore barrel and want it to look like new, ether by making a new barrel or by relining. They all want the same thing, an old gun that looks like it has never been used.  I think it comes down to bragging rights, look what I got and you ain't got one or mine is better than yours. Some of these collectors will spend more on a piece of junk than they could ever hope to get out of it. I have also lost work because someone told a customer that he was destroying a valuable antique by having the barrel repaired. If the barrel is full of rust it is not a valuable antique to someone who wants to be able to shoot it. While there are a few collectors that will hang a rust covered gun on the wall I believe it is because they can't afford one in pristine condition. There even seems to be a difference if the gun was repaired 100 years ago or today, if it's an old repair it's still an antique but if the repair is done today it destroy all collector value. Who comes up with this stuff?
  

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Reply #8 - May 28th, 2012 at 12:46pm
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There even seems to be a difference if the gun was repaired 100 years ago or today, if it's an old repair it's still an antique but if the repair is done today it destroy all collector value. Who comes up with this stuff?

Interesting comment John after one has the time to think about it for awhile. A repair is a repair is a repair just as was preformed back in the day. If Pope had an apprentice to take over where he left off and the apprentice did the same I am sure that fellow would have his hands full fixing up some of these old rifles and the repairs would be looked at with a different perspective.

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Reply #9 - May 29th, 2012 at 12:18am
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Right now I have 2 22rf pump guns i am going to reline because the bores are sewerpipes and they have extraction problems.  Rifle 1 is a 12C Remington that is going to get a terget grade liner. The other is a Savage 1903 getting a standard redmond liner. I think relining by a good gunsmith will increase the value of both of these rifles. Relining dosen't seem to affect value on Gun Broker. 
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Re: Devaluation for relining barrel
Reply #10 - May 29th, 2012 at 10:08am
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The lowest price I have seen on liners is from (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) The last one I used was over 10 years ago and it had rust inside. I have installed a few Redmond liners and I don't care for them. I have been using liners from T.J.'s for a long time and believe they are the best available, plus there is a larger selection.  They do have a 22 LR  liner with a 5/16" OD but it is not on there advertizement. It's about twice what a Redmond liner is but well worth the price. 859-635-5560
  

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Reply #11 - May 29th, 2012 at 10:48am
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There are modern collectibles and old/antique collectible firearms. The key word is "Antique" If a firearm is an antique by most accepted definitions it is at least 100 years old. A firearm that is antique that has a barrel relining or repair that was done in the past i.e. 100+ years ago is still an antique. A firearm that is 100 years old or older and has been or is repaired in modern times ( namely less then 100 years ago} is by definition strictly speaking not a true antique or at a maxium a messed with antique  since it has been modified or repaired less then 100 years ago. Don't necessarily like are always agree, but I believe  this is the case. I'm not messing with an antique anything unless it is cheap and has no real collector value.
  
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Reply #12 - May 29th, 2012 at 5:28pm
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Mr Taylor,
Can you help me define a "match grade" liner. I hear this term used more often than not. I thought a liner was a liner (good quality ) of course but what would make it match grade? Just  curious.
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Re: Devaluation for relining barrel
Reply #13 - May 29th, 2012 at 7:44pm
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I don't understand that one either. I understand match chamber in a .22. As far as I am concerned TJ liners are as good as it gets.
  
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Re: Devaluation for relining barrel
Reply #14 - May 29th, 2012 at 9:10pm
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jhm wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 5:28pm:
Mr Taylor,
Can you help me define a "match grade" liner. I hear this term used more often than not. I thought a liner was a liner (good quality ) of course but what would make it match grade? Just  curious.
Thanks
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I have not heard of match grade liners, unless someone turns a match grade barrel down to make a liner form it. Then the only thing about a match grade barrel that I can find is the price will be higher. I use quite a few McGowen barrel and they shoot just as good as a barrel that cost much more. I am told they are all hand lapped which is the same with most high end barrels. Why should a barrel that is called " match grade" cost $500 more when it does not shoot any better than the less expensive barrel.
The hammer forged liners are the top of the line, I have seen none that are better.
  

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