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Re: New 38-55 project
Reply #15 - May 18th, 2012 at 2:48pm
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Let me be clear I have never fired a round with Trailboss. However my shooting buddy and spotting partner uses it exclusively in his Browning 38/55. Loads with store bought bullets on a progressive press too.  He's easily the best shot at our club and few times he's shot Schuetzen with that outfit has done very well.

What I have observed, and watch at least a thousand of his rounds go down range a year, is he gets  low shots that are unexplained.  Not much velocity either, everybody remaks how it seems to take forever to hit our Gong.   It may be the trailboss or that progressive press causing the drop shots. He pre loads the Mikori high wall trigger and shoots with the best set trigger offhand shooters. No way I could shoot that trigger.

What ever, his winning ways are in spite of his outfit not because of it.  High power or Small bore Silhouette rifle. Single Shot Rifle, Vintagers cup with a double rifle or Double Barrel Shot Gun in the SxS classic he's a factor because he knows how to shoot.   

Couple of other club shooters say we ought to outfit him with a CPA, load his ammo, and take him around the country placing side bets. Fact is he does not care a hoot about rifles or loads. No interest at all, only cares about hitting targets. We could learn something from that philosophy

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Re: New 38-55 project
Reply #16 - May 19th, 2012 at 8:07pm
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I would bet the farm your rifle was originally chambered for the 9.5x47R cartridge- I have a similar rifle that is chambered for that round. I also like the Model 1871 based schuetzens but they're kind of the red-headed step child of this game. The good news is they sell for about 70% of what a Martini type rifle does. Good luck with it; I hope you have lots of fun getting it to shoot.
  
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Reply #17 - May 20th, 2012 at 7:33pm
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I went to the range and the results are mixed.  The rifle functioned flawlessly.  The gun took a bit of getting used to as the drop at the stock is much greater than anything I have ever shot before.  Once I raised up my shooting rig it worked out much better.  This is more than I can say for the sights.  I need to work on figuring them out.  Fist time with a tang aperture and it gave me some trouble.  The loads were mixed as well the mild charge of 3031 was a bust I put a few on the paper at 25 yds and then switched to 50yds and they barely hit the bottom of the target. The bp rounds seemed to be much better and I was able to put my last 5 shots in a somewhat respectable group. On the target first shot is high and right and le last 5 are the group to the left of the bull. On the way home i checked back at the gunshop and they must have got a shipment and i was able to pick up the 4227 and 4759 so i will try the 4759 in the next batch.
I appreciate all the info as i am coming late to this reloading game and i can use all the help i can get.
  
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Re: New 38-55 project
Reply #18 - May 21st, 2012 at 6:07pm
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Boats knows his stuff. That is for sure! I have tried trailboss on a very limited bases. In my maynard 25-20ss. I took the advice of reducing to 705 of starting load. At 100 yds it took a good bit of rear sight to hit paper. I did not shoot enough to prove group and had no interest in trying to. I knew that it would never get out to 200 with a 30% load reduction. I have not given up on trying it. That maynard model 16 barrel is soft steel and I want to baby it. But I am 90% sure I will be back at 4227. That is all I shoot in my 38-55. 16.9 grs. to 17.2. 290 to 300 gr slugs.

I have had success at 200 in a 45-70 ,405 gr slug with 3031. But it took some doing to get there and if I stray from the load AT ALL things open up. There is almost always some unburned powder in the barrel. Not what we want.
BTW: 25-20ss loads were fixed. 38-55 BS and 45-70 fixed.
I love that rile you have there. I hope that with some tinkering it gets where you want it. Some of those German riles were made for odd style bullets. Have you looked into that at all? the Dell-Swartz book gives good detail about this.

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Re: New 38-55 project
Reply #19 - May 21st, 2012 at 6:14pm
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How about a few pictures of those sights, F&R they can be a puzzle. Some of us have worked with similar before.

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Reply #20 - May 21st, 2012 at 7:06pm
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the rear is a sight that looks like a Dixie Gun Works sight that they call a Mortimer Creedmore and the frnt has a very small post in a semicircle.  I will attach a photo of the rear first and a second post with the front. cant seem to find a way to attach multiple pictures.  Thanks for the help
  
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Reply #21 - May 21st, 2012 at 7:07pm
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Front sight as well
  
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Re: New 38-55 project
Reply #22 - May 22nd, 2012 at 1:38pm
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What is the exact groove diameter?
  
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Reply #23 - May 22nd, 2012 at 2:50pm
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the groove measurement is .375 and the twist is 1 in 16 inches,
  
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Re: New 38-55 project
Reply #24 - May 22nd, 2012 at 5:15pm
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Your Bore and twist is right.

Unless I am missing something Looks to me your sights could use some improvement.  On the Rear it's possible to make adaptors to allow threaded inserts with different size aperture's. Either modified plain easy available disk like Lymans, or a Merrit adjustable. Ablity to open and close the rear aperture size is a great advantage. Adjustments are good but get it set right one's good as another. Aperture size is another thing it needs to be opened and closed as light changes.  I have a box full of old Lyman disk that have chucked up in the lathe and drilled to suit different days. But mostly use a Merrit.

Front looks like a shell of what is should have, seems to be a 1/2 housing no inserts. I would either find what it should have had or get a inexpensive Lyman 17A and modify the sight, not the rifle's dovetail, to fit. Proper front aperture makes a world of difference. If it's a very small pin head in open top semi circle, it's not a easy sight to use.  See if the post can be removed without ruining the sight

Might even be able to put a 17A tube with the bottom milled off inside that housing.

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Reply #25 - May 22nd, 2012 at 7:39pm
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Actually the sight picture looks pretty goot when i look down range. Its just that when i make adjustments they do not seem to have any (or correct effect) I read a couple of guides and i think i need go back to the range ans step through the sighting in process again and pay attention to keeping good body position and consistantly placing my head/eye in the same position for each shot.  As i said this rifle has quite a bit more drop than i am used to. It will take some getting used to.  Just wish i could get a more conventional sight to mount on this oddball tang.
  
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Re: New 38-55 project
Reply #26 - May 22nd, 2012 at 8:27pm
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My standard load with a 250 grain bullet in my Uberti is 14.5 grains of SR 4759 which will do just under 1.5 MOA at 200.
  
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Re: New 38-55 project
Reply #27 - May 22nd, 2012 at 8:30pm
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Might be they work backwards.  US Receiver sights generally you push the point of impact with the screw. Screw down tighter the point of impact moves down

European opposite. Way the Germans think about it is screw the sight down they are pushing the paper down to meet the bullets point of impact

Paul Shuttleworth at CPA Rifles sells adaptors to fit Redfield Reciever sights like the Palma Olympic etc to Unertl style bases. Could be something like it would work and not alter the rifle.

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Reply #28 - May 23rd, 2012 at 2:06pm
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I took one of my other rifles out today that has the same square hole in the tang and mounted the same rear sight in it.  This time i paid close attention to my positioning and the results were much better  I shot ten rounds at 50 yards and 7 of them were in a 1.5 inch group.  one was a slip with the very light set trigger and the other two were probably my fault as well pehaps a flinch.  the only other difference was the size of the front post.  it is much larger on this gun.  Tommorw my shipment of supplies will come from midway and i will load up some more 38-55 and let you know how it makes out. I am feeling better about this sight but time and practice will tell.
  
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