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stevens52 Full Member Offline Posts: 222 Location: Fairview,NC Joined: Jun 6^th, 2004	25 Hornet Mar 24^th, 2012 at 3:04pm	Print Post
	I'm looking for information. I know Gil Sengel wrote several articles on the cartridge for either Rifle or Handloader magazine and PO Ackley's 2 volume set has a page write up. Does anyone have copies of this? Load information? I'll gladly pay for copying and postage. Thanks, JB


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7537 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #1 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 5:38pm	Print Post
	I think I have both. Believe the 25 Hornet article was re-printed in one of Hand loaders Wildcat cartridges books. And have PO Ackleys books. Give me overnight will let you know for sure. Boats


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #2 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 6:02pm	Print Post
	John here is the data in Ackley's Handbook Volume I and it isn't much but it is everything that is listed. 60gr. Bullet 8gr. 2400 1525fps 11gr.2400 2035fps 86gr. Bullet 6gr 2400 955fps 10gr.2400 1675 J.Louis

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colo native Oldtimer Offline Posts: 760 Location: Barren Ridge, Va Joined: Dec 27^th, 2007	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #3 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	the info is in the 1962 copy if you send me your e mail I'll copy and send it to you. mike case is almost straight.. P.O.A. gives H. R. Longo some credit for his work o it..


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #4 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 6:18pm	Print Post
	Charlie Dell shows a load of 8.3grs AA-9 in a 12 twist, with a 95gr. bullet and CCI Primers and no velocity given. J.Louis

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stevens52 Full Member Offline Posts: 222 Location: Fairview,NC Joined: Jun 6^th, 2004	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #5 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 6:53pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the help folks. Bill, I hope you can find it. There were two articles by Sengel. One about building the rifle and I believe another about load information several years later. I believe one in each of the magazines.


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colo native Oldtimer Offline Posts: 760 Location: Barren Ridge, Va Joined: Dec 27^th, 2007	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #6 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 7:13pm	Print Post
	google turned this up. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7537 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #7 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 8:25pm	Print Post
	John I was wrong, the Gil Sengel Article I have is in Wolfe's Varmint and Small Game cartridges. It's called "Reviving the Small Game Rifle" and is about 25/20's Hang on, Looks like I was right sort of, Wolfes Wildcat Cartridges volume II has a Sengel Article about the 25 Hornet. It's later than the one you are looking for. He refers to Hand loader # 100 when he wrote about the .25 Hornet, not much detail on the one you are looking for. Then goes on with 4 full pages on the cartridge in a 10 inch T/C contender. This may be the several years later article lot of load data jacketed and cast. Looks like it's worth reading. Send me a PM with your address will copy it up next few days. Boats


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #8 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 9:38pm	Print Post
	25 Hornet No rifle info or barrel length given. Small Pistol primers used with Unique and Herco powders. Small Rifle primers used in all other loads. Velocities instrumental at 10 feet. (Handloader Issue 111) 72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Unique 3.0 1,184 72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Unique 3.5 1,343 Remarks: best accuracy 72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Unique 4.0 1,475 72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Herco 3.0 1,187 72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Herco 3.5 1,306 Remarks: best accuracy 72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Herco 4.0 1,473 72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Herco 4.5 1,625 88 NEI 88.257RN Winchester W-296 5.0 1,217 88 NEI 88.257RN Winchester W-296 5.5 1,321 Remarks: 1-1-1/4-inch groups 88 NEI 88.257RN Winchester W-296 6.0 1,488 105 Lyman No. 257231 IMR IMR-4227 5.0 1,258 105 Lyman No. 257231 IMR IMR-4227 6.0 1,372 105 Lyman No. 257231 IMR IMR-4227 6.5 1,477 105 Lyman No. 257231 IMR IMR-4227 7.0 1,557 Remarks: 1-1/8-inch groups
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #9 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 11:07pm	Print Post
	John what is it exactly you are looking for I have Handloader #100 and the Sengal article is Titled .25 Hornet Hunter's Handgun. If it was another article that was written up in The Handloader I probably have it, I just need to know what issue. I also have some issues of the Rifle if you can provide a reference to a time line or the issue it is possible I might have it also. Worst case I scenario is I can thumb through all of the index in all of the issues to try and locate exactly what you are looking for and I would be more than happy to do so for you. J.Louis
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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7537 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #10 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 10:34am	Print Post
	John Seems to me the one you have # 100 is the first, and one I have is the 2nd one. Unfortunately no reference in Wildcat cartridges detailing when it was published in Hand loader Boats


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stevens52 Full Member Offline Posts: 222 Location: Fairview,NC Joined: Jun 6^th, 2004	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #11 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 7:09pm	Print Post
	If I can get a photocopy from John and Bill I'll be "singing in the rain". It sounds like we've found both issues.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #12 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 8:00pm	Print Post
	John send me a PM with your e-mail address and I will try scanning it and e-mailing it to you. If that does now work out in regards to overall quality I can work on an alternative method. J.Louis

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #13 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 8:05pm	Print Post
	John I was snooping around and found another article in Handloader 111 by Gil Sengal titled 25 Hornet Small Game Round would you also have an interest in it? J.Louis

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 25 Hornet Reply #14 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 8:18pm	Print Post
	Frank in my copy of Handloader 111 it also has load data for 60gr, 75gr. and 87gr bullets is your article titled the same. J.Louis

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