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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1309 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Creedmoor barrel Dec 15^th, 2011 at 1:00pm	Print Post
	Does anyone have the muzzle and breech dimensions for an original Remington Creedmoor rifle. Hopefully from a full octagon but a round or half round barrel will work. ThXX SS

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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7728 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #1 - Dec 15^th, 2011 at 4:07pm	Print Post
	No but they were long and skinny. Think the NRA rule at the time was 10 lbs. At the Maryland Arms Collectors March show guy usually has a wonderful collection of original Creedmores, All kinds with lots of accoutrement's and assorted memorabilia. While the rifles are certainly attractive I would not want one for modern NRA LR rule shooting. Particularly in the big 90 grain cases used for long range. Be nice to own original though. Boats


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4164 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #2 - Dec 15^th, 2011 at 8:21pm	Print Post
	If you can get hold of long-time ASSRA member Richard Binger (dba Stott's Creek Guns) I bet he can tell you! Look in the classifieds of any SSR Journal... he almost always has an ad in there. He's forgotten more about early Remington cartridge rifles than most of us will ever hear of! Froggie


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #3 - Dec 16^th, 2011 at 9:27am	Print Post
	What Froggy said. Dick knows for sure. 40 Rod


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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1309 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #4 - Dec 16^th, 2011 at 12:02pm	Print Post
	Dick has told me he will get measurements for a round barrel but does not have an octagon. I had spoken to Dave at Lone Star several times on this in the past two months and he couldn't help. Also spoke to Roy Marcot who has pointed me at another possibility... SS

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12333 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #5 - Dec 17^th, 2011 at 2:45pm	Print Post
	Cant remember ever seeing a Remington Creedmoor rifle with a full octagon barrel. Did you look in Sellers book? Joe.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12333 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #6 - Dec 17^th, 2011 at 3:21pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Dec 17^th, 2011 at 2:45pm: Cant remember ever seeing a Remington Creedmoor rifle with a full octagon barrel. Did you look in Sellers book? Joe. Sellers book?? HUH?? Me DUH! Joe.

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Fritz Oldtimer Offline Posts: 518 Location: Texas Joined: Jun 27^th, 2008	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #7 - Dec 17^th, 2011 at 5:18pm	Print Post
	Just another resource to check into: The Remington Society of America.They have a forum which is very informative--Fritz


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FITZ Oldtimer Offline REGARDS Posts: 917 Location: MASSACHUSETTS Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #8 - Dec 17^th, 2011 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	SS, not sure if this will help or not. But Winchester used the same muzzle and barrel size for their barrels Octagon or Round. In other words a Number 4 would be 1.100" at the Receiver and 1.0" at the muzzle. Memory may not be exactly right on these numbers. But these front and rear sizes would be the same for Round or Octagon. Regards, FITZ.

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zrifleman Ex Member	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #9 - Dec 18^th, 2011 at 1:37am	Print Post
	I was told by a knowlegable source that only 2 full octagon Creedmore rolling blocks were made. One was given to George Custer and the other to Fulton of the US team. I know the owner of one of them. I will try to contact him Monday and post the dimensions if I get them


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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #10 - Dec 18^th, 2011 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	SchwartzStock, About three weeks ago I had the opportunity to examine and measure two Sharps Borchardt Long Range (Creedmoor) Barrels. These were original Sharps Rifle Co. manufacture. Neither of them had apparently been fired. They retained the Sharps Factory stampings. These were cut only for a dovetailed foresight and the lever spring mountings. Both had the brazed cross wedge holder beneath the barrels for securing the forearms in place. Their dimensions were :- Barrel Length. 35.625" inc. threaded portion. Maximum dia. 1.160", at breech end. Minimum dia. 0.823" at the muzzle. Barrel Length. 33.00" inc. threaded portion. Maximum dia. 1.186" at breech end. Minimum dia. 0.836" at the muzzle. Both were chambered for what is now called the 45/90 cartridge. Given that the maximum all up weight when the rifle is assembled was then restricted to 10.0 lbs., any barrel of these dimensions and calibre should easily meet the current rules permitting the overall weight of the assembled rifle weight of 12 lbs. when fitted to any original Creedmoor Action. I hope this of help. Harry
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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #11 - Dec 18^th, 2011 at 4:21pm	Print Post
	I just looked at the Creedmoor section in Marcotte's book on the sporting "rollers" He both illustrates the Fulton and Custer Creedmoor with excellent photos. He makes the statement on page 159 "Evidently the earliest Remington Creedmoor rifles had 34" full octagon barrels. Major Fulton's is serial number 3314 and General Custer's in serial Number 3353". He later states on p. 161, "To date, only three early full-octagonal barrel Creedmoor rifles are known". The Custer rifle is in the Monroe Michigan public museum. as part of their extensive Custer artifact collection. Monroe in on the western shore of Lake Erie about halfway between Detroit and Toledo. Custer grew up in the adjacent region of Ohio and his wife/widow Libby was from Monroe.
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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7728 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #12 - Dec 19^th, 2011 at 8:46am	Print Post
	That's a long skinny barrel and very light gun for 45/90 and heavy bullets. In person they appear almost delicate slim stock work to keep weight down. Like most competition firearms they were built to the rule. Boats


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18048 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #13 - Dec 19^th, 2011 at 8:51pm	Print Post
	boats wrote on Dec 19^th, 2011 at 8:46am: That's a long skinny barrel and very light gun for 45/90 and heavy bullets. In person they appear almost delicate slim stock work to keep weight down. Like most competition firearms they were built to the rule. Boats Is that the caliber that the Creedmoor Rems. were all chambered for? For some reason I had it in my mind they were .44 calibers, maybe .44-77 Rem and Sharps??

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Creedmoor barrel Reply #14 - Dec 20^th, 2011 at 12:15am	Print Post
	Which Remington Creedmore are you talking about? The Madaus/Goodwin book shows both the #1 and #3 actions in Creedmore Mid-range, and Creedmore Long-range configurations. Also shown are Military Creedmore Long-range versions. Barrel lengths are varying from about 32" to a bit over 34", in .44 , .45, and .50 calibres. The predominant cartridge appears to be the 44-90 or 44-100 straight. If you have access to the book, take a look.

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