frnkeore wrote on Nov 24^th, 2011 at 12:16am:


Frank,
I agree, and the US of A used to make some of the best ammo years ago, but those days are gone. I'm not trying to follow the leader, I'm trying to beat the leader, and I know I cant do it with K-Mart ammo so have to use what at least gives me a chance of doing that.
  Regards
    H. M. Pope

40_rod,
DWS posted in another thread that he thought that is to disallow the newer cartridges such as 17 HRM and 22 Mag. and that's how I read it.

Can you post the minutes to that meeting, covering this subject? The wording isn't clear at all to me and it say nothing about factory as everyone has been stating. BSing has been a part of single shots for more than 100 years and I would think, because of that, it would be specificlly disallowed.

Frank

40_rod is not on the BOD, DWS is and it was his quote that I was referring to. It seems that there is a problem with what was recalled so, the minutes of the meeting would be the way to settle it.

I find it strange that someone that uses symbols of to of the most innovative people in US history would be content to passively allow foreign domination and not work at doing something to ending it.

Our old standard was "where there's a will, there is a way"

Frank

  Frank,
Is this the post you are talking about, where  DWS said:

"just out of curiosity, 
( at least for me since ASSRA rules mandate unaltered factory ammo for 22rf competition )  has anyone though of trying the Swiss NullB flintlock priming powder rather than sifting and sorting 4F ?"

Regards and Hope all had a very Happy Thanksgivening.
  H. M. Pope

Mr Pope,

DWS said,

Frank,  not sure about that  its a gray area and I'm recalling some discussion back when the rules were revised about factory ammo.   I think they were more concerned about 22 rf magnums and the 17 rfs at the time. but I'm not real positive about it.

He was assuming that fixed factory ammo was only allow (as many other have also assumed) in the post you quote, here he seems to recall something different. And by his wording, it sounds like he was present.

Frank

Frank,
I think you may be carrying this to far, I really don't care if some Schuetzenmeister bent the rules for you. Maybe back in the 90's there was no ruling on it, I don't know, only the Schuetzenmeister and the  rules committee would know. I cant answer your many questions about any of this. I only tried to point you in the right direction as to who said what. 

It seems that no matter what 40 Rod or DWS has said you don't want to accept it.  It's not what I think or said, what I quoted was what DWS said, and he's a BOD.

I have no opinions on the matter, if what DWS has said is true it doesn't matter to me because I shoot Fixed ammo. I did not make it up, I found it in a recent post DWS made.

As to me shooting European ammo I have already answered that question, read the post, how many more times do I have to answer, I'll answer it one last time, I use it because it shoots better for me and others that I shoot with. It wins more matches than all the US factory made or reloaded 22 ammo, combined that's why most of the top shooters use it, I thought I explained all that before.

The way it is now even if it's proven that re-loaded 22 RF ammo is better than The good European ammo we still cant load it because the ruling is and I quote:

"The ASSRA Schuetzenmeister (an elected voting member of the ASSRA BOD) had ruled previously that ONLY unaltered factory loaded 22 SL/LR ammo could be used in ASSRA competition"

Now your saying that I'm  squelching American innovation and ingenuity, where did that come from ?

I've already said that if any US company made ammo as good as the Europeans I would use it, what more can I do. 

Your saying that your not a cheater, no one that I know of called you a cheater, now I think your just making things up as you go along.
  Regards
   H. M. Pope

Frank,
You yourself told us that you shot and won a match shooting BSed 22's. Was that a lie, or were you just pulling our leg. If it was not a lie and you were not pulling our leg then I just  proved it using your own words.

The Schuetzenmeister did not follow the rules of the ASSRA so in affect he let you slide by allowing you to shoot that way and win.

I'm not retracting anything, you yourself already admitted to doing it.
 
This is starting to get silly. 

The rules are what they are, I live by them, I may not like some of them but I don't complain about them, I just work with them the best I can. 

You should probably do the same thing. Lets face it the rules committee or the BOD are not going to change the rules just because we don't like them. So we have to live with them, right. Give it up, they are what they are and no amount of crying by you, me, or anyone else is going to change things.
  Regards
   H. M. Pope