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Smokeless in a Maynard ??
Nov 13th, 2011 at 2:23pm
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I know the Maynard should be shot with BP, but got into a discussion at the range concerning light smokeless powder loads with light weight bullets for plinking.   

25-20 SS loads and 35-40 Maynard loads in particular.  The 40-70 Maynard I will only shoot BP loads.

Any of you out there want to share your opinion
  
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Re: Smokeless in a Maynard ??
Reply #1 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 3:55pm
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I've shot IMR4227 and A#9 in my 32-35 Model 16 for ~20 years with nary a problem.
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Re: Smokeless in a Maynard ??
Reply #2 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 4:09pm
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pjogrinc wrote on Nov 13th, 2011 at 2:23pm:
I know the Maynard should be shot with BP, but got into a discussion at the range concerning light smokeless powder loads with light weight bullets for plinking.  

25-20 SS loads and 35-40 Maynard loads in particular.  The 40-70 Maynard I will only shoot BP loads.

Any of you out there want to share your opinion


You can shoot any powder you want in your rifle.  In fact in the smaller cases smokeless is very safe and you wont have fouling problems.

Will be lining my 25/20 SS Maynard perty soon and will shoot smokeless powder in it exclusively.   You hear that advice a lot "should be shooting BP only". That applies to just a few old rifles and calibers. Just because you might use smokeless doesnt mean it's high pressure.   High pleasure maybe.   Cheesy Yuk yuk.   

I've been shooting 8.5 gr IMR 4227 in my 25/20 SS in a cast #2 Ballard for a number of years and it works just fine.   

I tried BP in my 25/20 SS  Had a hard time even getting it to hit the target. When it did the bullets were going sideways. The brass was pretty much toast when I gave up.  There are very good reasons the old timers took to smokeless like ducks to water.   

Okay thats perty much is my opinion.  Both barrels. 

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Re: Smokeless in a Maynard ??
Reply #3 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 9:28pm
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The only cartridge Maynard (as opposed to the old percussion ignited carbines) that I shoot is a .40-40 with the old thick rimmed cases.  I haven't gotten up the nerve to shoot it with smokeless yet, because I have been loading the PC carbines with black anyway.  As Westerner said, it will probably be hard to get black to work well in a small bore, so if I ever get the .25-20 SS barrel I lust after, it will probably be fed very mild doses of smokeless.  That case can get pretty hot if you overstuff it with too-fast powder, though, so be careful about approaching max charges.  I plan to stay at or near starting load recommendations.  JMHO, YMMV!

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Reply #4 - Nov 16th, 2011 at 4:30pm
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I can't speak about the .25-20ss Maynard because I've never had one - but I would probably try to use reasonable charges of AA#9 in that barrel if it were mine. 

I've had several Maynards in .35-40 and .40-60&70 and always shot them successfully using black powder duplexed with tiny amounts of SR-4759. Right now, I enjoy shooting my .32-35 Maynard exclusively with a BP duplex load. I like it because it's accurate, relatively clean-shooting, gives me a fun old-timey thrill, and it drives the black-powder-only goons nuts. 

  
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Reply #5 - Nov 16th, 2011 at 4:40pm
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xtimberman wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 4:30pm:
I can't speak about the .25-20ss Maynard because I've never had one - but I would probably try to use reasonable charges of AA#9 in that barrel if it were mine. 

I've had several Maynards in .35-40 and .40-60&70 and always shot them successfully using black powder duplexed with tiny amounts of SR-4759. Right now, I enjoy shooting my .32-35 Maynard exclusively with a BP duplex load. I like it because it's accurate, relatively clean-shooting, gives me a fun old-timey thrill, and it drives the black-powder-only goons nuts. 



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Reply #6 - Nov 22nd, 2011 at 1:20pm
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I'm currently running 7.0 gr of IMR4227 in my 25-20 SS Win Highwall.

What size 'F' where you trying in your Maynards, especially the 25-20 SS ??
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 22nd, 2011 at 7:03pm
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My notes say that I always used Goex FFG in the .35-40 and primarily Goex FG in the .40 cals.

Lately, I've been using Swiss and Schuetzen FFG in my .32-35.
  
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Re: Smokeless in a Maynard ??
Reply #8 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 6:15pm
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Westerner and pjogrinc, Are those 4227 loads fixed or seated?

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Reply #9 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 6:33pm
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Mine are breech seated.

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Reply #10 - May 26th, 2013 at 11:57pm
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Sorry for the long delay.

Mine are fixed, 7.0 grs and a 86 gr cast FP.  Shoots like a house of fire in the new to me Stevens 44 and severe vertical stringing in my Maynard.  I think with the barrel down and loading and then shooting, the powder was mostly sitting at the base of the bullet.

Need to find a more bulky powder.  2400 pressures look low enought and should be a more bulky powder.
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 6th, 2013 at 10:38am
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Sorry for the long delay.


Need to find a more bulky powder.  2400 pressures look low enought and should be a more bulky powder.


  You remind me of the guy who went for a ride on the sub-way system beneath the streets of Boston, .  .  . to  never return, .  .  .  Oh to never return !  !

  Well you made it back and you need a more bulky powder ?  While you were gone, there was introduced a very bulky smokeless powder and they called it "Trail Boss".

  In order to use "T. B." you will want to read the instructions put out to the using public for load development and understand what is meant by the so called " 70 % Rule ".  Check it out, it just may have a place in what it is that you are doing.

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Re: Smokeless in a Maynard ??
Reply #12 - Jun 22nd, 2013 at 4:14pm
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Well, I found out what was causing my vertical stringing.

Never checked the screws that held the slider on the tang sight together,, can we say loose!!!!!!

Problem solved!

Now that my Jameson brass is here, will start the fun all over again.  My Bertrum (newer production) which is good and consistent will be relegated to BP loads.  While I'm at it, should order another 100 of the Jameson for back up!
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 22nd, 2013 at 5:43pm
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I have been getting very good results shooting my Model 16 38/55 with a 250gr lead bullet and 6.2 gr of Trail Boss.
  
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