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CPA 32-20
Nov 12th, 2011 at 7:33pm
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There was a discussion today at my gun club about the Shuttleworth 32-20 leaving some unanswered questions that maybe someone here can help with. Does anyone know anything about it? Is it the standard 32-20 of old with the 90 to 115 grain bullets? How does this round compare to the 32-40 ballistically and competitively? Any and all pertinent information is appreciated.
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Re: CPA 32-20
Reply #1 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 7:56pm
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The CPA 32-20 is blown out to shoot .321 bullets. It is a very fussy case but if one can keep a handle on it, it is second to none in the accuracy department and it is also second to none in trying one's patience. One of our local competitors is shooting one and in late he has shot several 250's at 200yds even back to back in practice sessions and 248 & 249's are quite common for him as well. The small powder capacity cases all tend to be a bit fussy and can pressure spike if one is not paying attention and case separations are also quite common depending on the powder used. Would he buy another one? We have had that discussion on more than one occasion and he would probably choose a 32-40 the next go round. We also have another competitor who has one and he chooses to shoot one of his 32-40's instead of the 32-20 as it has been a real struggle for him to keep in tune. I have shot along side him on several occasions, once when two cases separated dang near back to back and another time when one separated. 

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Re: CPA 32-20
Reply #2 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:37pm
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I've always thought that case separation was caused by brass stretching and material migration in the region adjacent to the web.   (Maybe "case separation" might make a good separate discussion topic) 

The .32-20 is quite a venerable old round and I'm sure the cases themselves have changed a lot over the years even if the outer dimensions are nominally the same.  Would using a more modern higher pressure case as the basis for the 32-20 Shuttleworth heavy bullet case make a difference?  what about uneven brass thickness at the case mouth?
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:53pm
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DW you are bringing up some very interesting questions and it would be a very interesting new topic. In the case of the 32-20 mentioned and the one still being shot the cure for case separation was by changing over to AA4100 in lieu of the AA9 he was using. The AA4100 is providing more velocity with less pressure and no case loss. It also opened up a whole new realm in regards to load tuning as the case was no longer being restrained by the higher pressures generated by the AA9 of which limited the amount of powder one could use and the max. velocity one could achieve.  

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Re: CPA 32-20
Reply #4 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 11:30pm
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I've been using the 32-20 case in a Ruger No. 3 with a .308" barrel, probably have some cases with over fifty shots through them, and out of a  couple hundred cases have only had one partial head separation.  I breech seat bullets in the 200 gr. range.  I started out using WW cases, but switched a couple of years ago to Starline.  Size about every eight to ten shots on the case.  I bought some of the 4100 powder to test, will see if it gives better case life and accuracy results than the 4227 I've been using in it.

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Re: CPA 32-20
Reply #5 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 8:40am
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case separation thread started in "reloading"
  

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Re: CPA 32-20
Reply #6 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 9:09am
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Posted this question before but can't recall the answer

If the bullet fits the twist and bore and given similar powder capacity & shape, how is it going to know if the case is a reformed 32/20 or 357 ?  Breech seated it never sees the case. 

My observation is any of the short case 32 caliber wildcats work good at times, and seem to be more sensitive than 32/40's  I account it to the need to use a wad in short cases. Another variable to deal with.

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Re: CPA 32-20
Reply #7 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 10:01am
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Re:  32-20 and the 357-based cartridges, I'd think that the case strength/wall thickness etc etc might be a factor

I've always thought that case/bullet size "variation sensitivity"  was pretty much a matter of proportion.

a tenth of a grain variation is a huge percentage if you are reloading--say a 22 rf at one extreme and completely insignificant in a .50 BMG at the other.

The smaller the cartridge the more painstaking care you have to take at EVERY possible stage of reloading or things can go bad real easy and real fast.  Larger cases simply gave you a bit more latitude befor thngs go critical on you

dunno if it applies to bore/twist issues; though it seems like it would to some extent at least

Or am I wrong   Huh
  

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Re: CPA 32-20
Reply #8 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 2:31pm
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I load both 32/20 and .357.  357 case is way stronger than any 32/20.  And the Schuetzen wildcats based on 357's are mostly straight taper which to me is an advantage.  Push 32/20's up to accept regular .32 bullets it must not have much bottleneck left

32/20 expanded for a larger bullet might be interesting but better would have to be proven to me before I set one up.

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Re: CPA 32-20
Reply #9 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 2:46pm
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Given basically similar case capacities (I think) what are the pros and cons of the heavy 32-20 CPA vrs the various 357-based short 32's.    or are the 32-30s smaller enough to be significant
  

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Re: CPA 32-20
Reply #10 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 3:16pm
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I've always thought that case/bullet size "variation sensitivity"  was pretty much a matter of proportion.

DW I find your above statement very interesting. I once owned a CPA in 32 Miller Short and to get it to shoot at its full potential put it right at the maximum pressure range. There were days when I needed to go up a couple of clicks to keep it in tune and those couple of clicks would send it over the top. Backing back off would cost me points so it did not stick around for very long. I tend to think there is a more ideal short case length design out there but I have never pursued it as my 32-40 has shot with the best current short case designs out there and never had to take a backseat to any of them. 

This was before the discovery of the AA4100 powder of which might have changed my outlook on the 32 Miller Short at that point in time. 

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