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Oct 31st, 2011 at 1:18am
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I hope that the following info does not seem like I'm ranting about this, I'm just very sad about where our country is headed here lately.

To All, I just received a very alarming email from a gunsmith friend of mine. It seems that if your a VET and go to a VA facility for any medical work they have you fill out a new questioner. I filled this same one out just 2 or 3 years ago but not with the added last question. The first 3 questions ask things such as  are despondent, do feel like doing harm to anyone and so forth. The new 4th question is do you own or have any firearms in your home. The person asked the VA nurse what would happen if he had answered yes to any of the first 3, she said if so he or she would be reported to the Homeland Security so they can remove the guns from your possession. This is what our grand Republic  is coming to 
Welcome to the United Socialist States of America, here very  soon unless we all start sticking up for our rights. 
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Reply #1 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 5:38am
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This is akin to the airline reps asking "Did anyone place something in your baggage without you knowing?"  Duh!  I'm sure every disturbed person who shot someone ensured they notified someone beforehand they were mentally ill.  Even when they did, the authorities did  nothing.

We fear more a maniac with a gun than one driving a 2-ton vehicle.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 6:57am
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Reply #3 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 9:24am
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Mike,
 I know a few VN vets and one WW 2 vet and as a group they can best be described as surly when messed with. Myself am a VN vet. I think to a man your form would be wadded up and handed back without a mark on it. I visit 2 different Va hospitals, the one in bolshevik territory (Pittsburgh) treats us like meat and the other in Erie coddle us. Have in 2 weeks a procedure I can not pronunce or spell and now I'll be looking for this questionnaire.
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Reply #4 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 8:26am
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The short answer don't go to the government for anything they'll suck out your soul. You go to the VA cause your a vet and "you earned it" and the next thing you know your a ward of the state and living on the crumbs from their table. Even a casual look at how government treats veterans will tell you to not go anywhere near their handouts. I'm a Vet and I'll die in a gutter before I go to those politicians for their scraps! Live Free

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Reply #5 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 1:18pm
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After you fill out the questionnaire, maybe they'll give you some drugs to help you mellow out.  Or maybe turn you into a cabbage.  You won't even know what happens next.

Read or heard somewhere that there are more copies of the Bible in circulation than any other book. "The Rise & Fall of the Third Reich" is said to be #2.  The origins of the idea are probably not found in the Bible.  Re-reading #2 is apt to start some thought processes in motion.
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Reply #6 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 10:44pm
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Mike, the answer to the gun question is two part:  "none of your damn business" and "not nearly enough".

When I was growing up this sort of stuff only happened in those goose stepping countries.  Now, in the blink of an eye, it is here.

We will probably end up on list for even discussing it, even thinking it.
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 9:49am
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Fortunately I have great medical coverage from my retirement, and have never had to use my VA benefits for medical. I'd refuse to fill out the questionaire myself, or lie on all of it.
  

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Reply #8 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 11:41am
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Mike,I heard about the additional question on form, from an ex-Army helicopter pilot friend of mine about a year ago.He and I were in service
same time span.This a great concern of mine also,and my feelings run closely with those of 40 Rod---Fritz
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Reply #9 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 6:18pm
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I am in complete harmony with the prevailing opinions on this topic. Like everyone here, I knew a country that no longer exists. However. I visit the VA hospital in Bonham, Texas twice a year for checkups and get meds through them and have participated in the agent orange study.
I haven't yet been asked those questions but if I am asked I'll give the answers that have been suggested here. Most of the staff there usually say "Thank you for your service." I think we need to remember that there are many men and women who have to depend on VA services; I don't feel that they are receiving a handout. Whether you sludged through the Mekong or were a clerk typist in Ft. Carson, you have the right to VA services and shouldn't back up to claim them. Remember also that we all have paid (literally with taxes) for these benefits. 
This is all meant in the most friendly and patriotic sense.
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Reply #10 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 7:25am
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As a veteran I couldn't disagree more. We went into the service it was our duty we don't deserve a sucker for doing our duty it is what is expected. All these politicians handing out candy to buy votes is killing this country. We are Greece we just haven't realised it yet. This country is broke and the politicians keep on spending money like we have it. They set up a tax code where everybody is special except you. Now they just want to tax the rich, well guess what "the rich is anybody who makes a dollar more than you. 50% already don't pay taxes and now they want to raise taxes on the rest of us to make it fair. What a laugh. 

Get off your addictions to handouts stand on your own two feet!
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Reply #11 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 9:01am
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I'm not a vet,  one of the few real regrets in my life is that is was passed over in the draft and I didn't have the brains to volunteer.  That said;  I have been very closely involved in helping both my late father and my late father-in-law work with the VA.  Both were WW2 veterans, both had differing levels of service with the VA and vastly different experiences.

  It seems that there is as in any medical service experience a wide range of service providers and their level of personal care and concern and a big difference in the "patient relations attitude" from specific institution to institution.

It appears to me that the current situation with the huge influx of oil and terror war damaged veterans has focussed a public spotlight on the VA.  It has been good in some ways, budgets are increased and a lot of neglect and abuse is being uncovered and corrected; but I also get the impression that the over-50 veterans are getting pushed into the corners.

I suspect that the afore-mentioned questions are simply a typical ham-handed bureaucratic response to the unusually high rate of suicide among recently retuning vets that is being complexicated by the "mommy-knows-best" attitude of some health-care providers and the empire-building aims of the Homeland Security Agency.   

I'd really like someone who visits the VA to find out IF that "turn the data over to the HSA" is an ACTUAL VA policy or just an individual opinion.  I rather suspect its the latter---at least I sure hope so..
  

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Reply #12 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 9:39am
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FWIW,  I just sent a e-letter to my local congressman, (a senior conservative that I have had a long working relationship with), containing selected relevant portions of the above forwarded message.  I have requested that he look into the content and clarify if this is an official VA policy or not. And that if it is, it be investigated since it violates several existing federal laws including the H.I.P.A. laws and appears to be a serious cross departmental overreaching by HSA.

if and when I get a response I'll pass it on.
  

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Reply #13 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 12:01pm
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PLEASE DO! I just helped my cousin--also a '70's SE Asian adventure vet--with a health crisis. He had developed pneumonia following a minor surgery at his hometown hospital. He was going down fast. His oldest son suggested he get transferred to the VA in Portland. They saved his life. He had gone septic. Everyone involved in his care was terrific. Caring and efficient. He went home 8 days later. Never paid a cent. I called him last night, and neither of us can remember him being asked about firearms ownership--and believe me, he'd have noticed!

All it takes these days is for one story to go unchecked and a lot of folks avoid using a service they have coming. I sure hope this turns out to be one of those internet rumors. Thanks for looking into this. Think I'll ask some questions too. I've got a couple of good Reps who look out for vets.
  

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Reply #14 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 12:03pm
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Didn't mean to upset anyone but there are times when you must speak up. My 88 yr old brother-in-law was a B17 gunner, he's the reason we're reading this in English instead of German, depends on VA for healthcare. I don't see him as a beggar or sucking the government. If we really want to save the government money we should refuse Social Security and Medicare since these account for a much larger part of the budget than VA. 
So far as standing on my own two feet, I must admit I don't pay my fair share of taxes, I pay a whole lot more than my fair share. By the way, I'm not addicted to anything.
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