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C. Sharps of Big Timber Mt.
Oct 27th, 2011 at 5:57pm
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Would appreciate some feedback on Cabela's offering of a C. Sharps 1875 Sharps Sporting Rifle. #2435118 in their Gun Library. What is the opinion of the price, considering a couple extras included.
I understand C. Sharps Arms Inc. makes the finest Sharps & High/Low Wall rifles available.
Thanks for any feedback.
  
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Re: C. Sharps of Big Timber Mt.
Reply #1 - Oct 27th, 2011 at 7:08pm
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The 1875 is the lowest value offering C sharps has.  It is a streamlined for production rifle, intended to lower costs of entry level to the BPCR shooter.   

Typical values I see these resell for used are about $1000 in popular caliber (such as .45-70) with typical heavy barrels of 30 or 32 inches.  I've bought them as low as $650 in less desirable calibers such as .32-40 or .30-30 or with shorter or lighter barrels.  I don't think there's much variance in cost by features, as there are essentially no add on features that can add value to an 1875.  The only thing that would add value would be a good set of quality sights.  This would include only (to be cruel to other makers) MVA, Baldwin, and maybe Axtel; their sights would add $250 to $350 to the base value of the rifle, depending on the sights.  There's a couple of other lesser known manufacturers that would add $100 to $150 in value.  These would include Browning sights, Kermit Hoke, Mike Stevens, and maybe a few others, but you're unlikely to run into them.  I wouldn't add anything to the value for C Sharps sights, Lee Shaver sights, or Pedersoli sights.  Others might.

Make sure you don't compare the values to a 1874 sharps by C Sharps.  Those go used in the range of $1700 to $3500, depending on features.   

The 1875 was offered to give a low cost entry level alternative to people that wanted to get into the black powder cartridge game.

It does that, but doesn't offer a large resale value.

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Reply #2 - Oct 27th, 2011 at 7:16pm
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Addendum to that last post.  I went in and searched for that rifle at cabelas, found it.  I've owned that rifle, or maybe one just like it.  I bought it to rebarrel to a BPCR for my son about 5 or 6 years ago.  I decided it wasn't worth the rebarrel.  I paid $750 for it with brass, bullets, and dies.  I traded it for about that and kept the extra stuff to use with my .32-40 high wall.

It looked unfired when I bought it, it was still unfired when I sold it.  It had a firing pin that stuck and didn't work right from the factory.  I had to work on it just to make the rifle work.  That soured me on the project as much as anything.  The second thing was knowing the C Sharps owner and trying to work with him on repair of the defect.   

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Reply #3 - Oct 27th, 2011 at 7:54pm
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Thank you ssdave.
Looks like I pulled another bone head purchase. LOL. Hopefully it was not your rifle at Cabela's, unless that is where you sold it.
But thank you.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 27th, 2011 at 8:55pm
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While you may have paid a bit too much, there is nothing wrong with the 1975. It is a bit more pedestrian than the 1874, but has a faster lock-time, making it easier to shoot for most folks. C. Sharps is generally considered to be the equal of Shiloh Sharps, CPA and the other custom single-shot rifle makers. A couple of the folks who shoot BPCR silhouette at our local club have the 1875 and they are nice rifles and function just fine, ssdave's experience not withstanding. Have never heard them complain. My shooting partner in silhouettes has three C. Sharps (2 High Walls and a Hepburn) and they are beautiful rifles that function perfectly and shoot very accurately. 

Also, I find no difference in the quality of my Lee Shavers Soule sight and the MVA sights on my friend's rifles.
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:01pm
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Hope your rifle works out well.  The marbles type tang sight adds about $70 to the base value.  If .32-40 is a desirable caliber to you, no detriment there.  I'd assign it a base retail value of about $1000 to $1100.  The sight would add to that.  You didn't do too bad considering what Cabelas tries to make on guns.

Cabelas isn't a bargain place to buy rifles; typically on collectible guns they add 30 to 200% premium over what you can get elsewhere.  But, they seem to buy for nothing, or try to.  For amusement, a friend and I took in some known valuable rifles to see what they would offer.  They offered me $350 for a high wall that I sold for $1300 or so.  They offered a friend $300 for a model 52 Winchester with a 12 power unertl.   

I was recently in a conversation with a man that is a buyer for them.  He told me how he bought a rare nazi proofed pistol with matching numbered holster, near perfect, for nothing.  The grandson that inherited it brought it in, told him he just wanted to get rid of it, so he offered $100 and it was accepted.  They are now trying to establish the provenance on it; it was an officers issued weapon in wwII, probably a  vet bring back.  They expect to sell it for several thousand dollars.

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Reply #6 - Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:07pm
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P.S. to my last post, SSS posted while I was typing.   

I also see no problem with the quality of the 1875's.  The one I had was an abberation from their normal quality; and I was easily able to fix the tolerance problem that had the firing pin sticking.  My gripe was that they didn't quality control it in the first place, and they were surly about doing warranty work since I bought it second hand.

I just used an original high wall instead; it was a more desirable action for me to use for a beginning shooter.  No hammer to put on half cock before opening the action. Plus, I'd taken a taken a dislike to John, the owner of C Sharps.

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Reply #7 - Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:15pm
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Oh yes, I am aware the way Cabela's deal. I sold an M4 Benelli for $900.00, worth $1,400. But I was headed for surgery and wanted to make sure all loose ends were tied up just in case.

As far as it being in 32-40, that is the primary reason I bought it. I am sure you have read the posts on the ASSRA Ruger #1. Just wanted another 32-40.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:10am
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After you've had an opportunity to shoot your 'new-to-you' 1875, come back and and post a pic or two and give us an update. I've given some thought to one of their 1875 Sharps target models with the heavy Badger barrel. Pretty tasty for $1375.
  

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Reply #9 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 8:37am
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I have a C Sharps 1875 and I am very pleased with it. I use it for Buffalo Gong matches. I bought it new from C Sharps and have had no problems with it. The quality is very good and the after sale questions to them have been answered with no problems.

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Re: C. Sharps of Big Timber Mt.
Reply #10 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:21pm
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I am glad to see that the 1875 C Sharps are getting better. I bought 2 of them when they first came out and had trouble with the headspace on both of them, also the trigger was in the neighborhood of 16 to 20 pounds and was hard to do anything with. One was in 45-70 and the other in 40 -65 and I had a hard time finding brass that the had was thin enough  to allow the action to close. I liked the looks of the 1875  but was not happy with them and sold them.
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 2:58pm
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Consider Cabelas has to pay a dozen or more different taxes, rent, insurance, lawyers when they get sued by somebody that slips and falls,  provide Obama-care for employees pay into unemployment funds etc. 

Gun show hobby dealer with outside income only has to cover the days expenses. even so most dealers are going to want to  make a third buying and selling.  Retail operation working on 1/3 won't stay in business long.  I don't buy much from them but can understand there pricing. 

Seen some nice C Sharps rifles. Any of the builders can have a lemon but generally ones we see on firing lines are pretty good.

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Reply #12 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:29pm
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Prices out at $1370 at C. Sharps. If has the single-set trigger that would make it $1495. Fairly priced if is new, as Cabelas describes. Nothing to complain about. Just remember, most everything is negotiable, so might have gotten a better price. But, who knows. Could well be a tack-driver at the 200yd line. Nice rifle. And, can always ask C. Sharps to put in the single-set trigger if does not have and that is what you want.
  

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Reply #13 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 4:48pm
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Honesty I don't look for the lowest price in Single shot rifles, what's important is will it do the intended job and be a pleasure to use.  CPA I am using most ordered in 1993 what it cost new means nothing after 18 years.

Have seen many CSharps that would have been just as good.

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Reply #14 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 6:25pm
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The price promised on delivery is $1,250.00, one hundred off listed price. There is a 3 day inspection allowed, but I have my heart set on another 32-40 and this seemed to be the best listed for a pre-owned rifle.
I would like to post photos, just do not know how to post - - yet. 

3  1874 Sharps
2  High Walls
4 Trapdoors
1  Rolling block

Would be a real chore to post photos of all of them.
  
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