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Reply #15 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 5:30pm
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Mike you did not mention the San Jose show which was one of the absolute best ones I ever attended when I was in the Monterrey area, many very nice Winchester levers and Single shots, bought two like new Lyman Target-Spot scopes in the wood box which I still own and use at that show, want to cry when I think of the SS rifles I sold, but in the 70's there was not even a Bell Brass to make that odd ball brass to fit those rifles and the antique brass seemed to fail as much as it worked. I also enjoyed the Yuma shows in the middle 70's, some excellent deals on every kind of weapon!
Here in MI we can still wheel and deal long guns, but to many years of Demon's rule ruined the handgun sales along with the economy.
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mwhite49 wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:43pm:
As a kid I got dragged along to a bunch of different shows. the San Fransisco one that was held at the Cow Palace I think  was a good one and so was the Sacramento one and the Reno show. Vegas too. And it was tables for as far as you could see and then some. Too many for one day.
But I really miss the days that you could plop your money down and take the gun home right then. The anti gun nuts and Liberals have just about ruined this state and our country. I had a dealer about 2 weeks ago tell me that if he had is way we would have to do a transfer on percussion pistols could you could rob a bank with them too. Fecal headed folks irritate me to no end, I have no use for them and once he said that I found a different dealer to do transfers for me.
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Reply #16 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 5:32pm
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Not at the Vegas show, with $pecial arrangements!

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Mike T,m damn I'm getting senile again, I forgot all about that bunch of shows. Yes pretty girls scantily clad in just about nothing at all do sell things, or confuse folks into buying something they really did not want.
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That's because it's illegal to pay money for what we really DO want when the pretty girls are around.

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Reply #17 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 8:13pm
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You guys dont buff your guns with a wire wheel?? Huh?   Undecided


A wire wheel works real good on bullet molds too. Takes those pesky burrs right off. Nice and shiny when you get done. If you dont believe me, take a look at some of the molds on Ebay.  You can spot the good ones real easy.  Wink


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Reply #18 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 9:34pm
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D*mn Joe you gave away my super secret trick for finding those perfect moulds!!!  Cry
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Reply #19 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:46pm
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Believe it or not some of the best custom gun companies in the country used wire wheels for the final finish on barrels before rust bluing, and also used with oil for carding the rust off. Nieder did and others.
San Jose, last time I went to a show there was just before I joined the navy in 71 or early 72, by late 72 I was in San Diego in boot camp and then advanced infantry and then A school, gee what fun and then to the gorgeous island called Diego Garcia B.I.O.T. which is 1800 miles off the coast of Vietnam and 1800 off of India.  Did 2 deployments there over a 20 year career. We called it Gilligan's island. No guns allowed back then and we had MiG fighters running  fake strafing runs on us wile we were in our tin building eating lunch. I got to watch the 1 st C-5 land with booze and mail, we were drunk happy suckers for awhile. Back then we drank on the job, my boss lost 3 fingers that deployment, booze and explosive do not make good company.
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Reply #20 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:59pm
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Small world Mike I joined the Navy Jan 4,72 and was in San Diego march or April at SSC/NTC at MR "A" School for 12 Weeks, even though I had earned my Class "A" Machinist card by then. I was also at the Foot Print of the Pacific early 1973 on the way to Vietnam to patrol the coast and fix Tin Cans, went back to Diego Garcia in 1983 on a Navy provided South Pacific Cruise, we had 400+ Wins aboard and there was plenty to drink and very nice groomed beaches to party at, and some awfully (HUGE  Shocked) nice Hammer Heads swimming in the pool/lagoon!
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Reply #21 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 11:00pm
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Wire wheels for carding guns are not what you buy at Home Depot. The wheels I have are medium to very soft.

We was referring to bubba wire wheels and beer.   Wink


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Reply #22 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 11:31pm
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Joe, 

You almost brought a tear to my eye.   Wink 

The wire wheels most think of are best left to the bench grinders and drill chucks for getting rid of buzz-box slag. 

But those real fine wire carding wheels are a whole nother deal altogether.    Smiley

  

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Reply #23 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 11:36pm
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"Museum Quality", brings back memories of a gun show I once went to. Dealer had a bunch of mil surp rifles all done up in the most bright varnish/poly you ever did see. Sad part about it was he was very proud of them and not above telling everyone who stopped at his table either. 
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Reply #24 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 11:52pm
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BP wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 11:31pm:
Joe, 

You almost brought a tear to my eye.   Wink 

The wire wheels most think of are best left to the bench grinders and drill chucks for getting rid of buzz-box slag. 

But those real fine wire carding wheels are a whole nother deal altogether.    Smiley



Seeing some of the buffed molds on ebay will make you cry, thats for sure.  LOOK! I cleaned er up, REAL GOOD!   Grin Angry Cry


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Reply #25 - Oct 18th, 2011 at 12:03am
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You forgot to mention the bead-blasted and acid-dipped moulds that show up as well. 

Might consider 'em as basic blocks for cutting out to a larger cavity, but the prices run too high for that too.  Tongue



  

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Reply #26 - Oct 18th, 2011 at 12:20am
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Now if you acid dipped or wire wheeled a few of those unscupulous dealers you might teach them a lesson, or not. Once a Fecal Head always a Fecal Head. 
I always ask when I talk to the auctioneers if the guns appear to be cleaned up, or polished up in any way shape or form. I have had a couple these last 2-5 years flat out ask me why in the world would I ask about that. And I  take the time to explain that if anything has been done to refinish them, over clean them or polish them then the  offer would go down drastically. I have seen to many fine collector grade firearms destroyed to the point of being junk, one auction house in Nevada a couple of years back sold the most god awful bunch of firearms crap ever un loaded at an auction. This mess belonged to a California collector who supplied the movie studios, he even had real  machine guns and larger, had anti tank, anti aircraft and all. His building was a fortress looking affair in Purump. That old fart had welded with an arc welder onto some of the rifles to modify them for something. All I can say is they weren't pretty or right. He had moved to Nevada to get away from our state Gestapo.
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Reply #27 - Oct 27th, 2011 at 9:50pm
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Here's an interesting carbine.  See how many things wrong with it you can see:

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At least the fellow started it low.  If everyone sees the problems, it won't bring an inflated price.

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Reply #28 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:01am
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SSDave, you noticed the shotgun receiver, the wrong type of saddle ring, looks like color case by TORCH method. Blued barrel. Looks like a bunch of left over parts assembled by some one at Numrich arms maybe.
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Reply #29 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 12:19am
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I hadn't noticed the notch in the action ring, but it's not a shotgun receiver because rotary extractor, looks like an argentine??? because it doesn't have a rotary extractor limit screw on the left side.  Breech block is messed with, and buttstock marked US doesn't match the receiver or the barrel.  front sight looks like it's not right, suspect a cut down rifle barrel, would have to see profile better to know for sure.

Other things I noticed was the torch "case color", blue barrel, wrong type saddle ring in the wrong place, mismatched breech block that had been messed with, modified hammer nose on a military hammer, and general mismatch of parts indicating pieced together construction from orphan parts.

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