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Side Hammer Peabody
Oct 9th, 2011 at 3:09pm
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I purchased a a 68/69 rifle with a German crown and am fireforming .43 mauser to fit. The length from top of rim to top of shoulder is 1.683 and the neck length 0.687. Overall cast measures 2.48. Dia. at base 0.537 and just below shoulder 0.524. I can't seem to find cartridge data that fits. Any ideas?
  
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Re: Side Hammer Peabody
Reply #1 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 4:48pm
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Do you have any pictures of the Peabody, if so please post them.
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Reply #2 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 12:08am
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One at a time!  I'm trying to figure out how this all works.  Be patient please.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 12:09am
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Number 2!
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 12:10am
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Number 3!
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 12:14am
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Number 4!  The one on the left has been fired once or twice the one on the right was ruined in my press or I wouldn't have had anything to compare. The Good Lord works in mysterious ways!
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 1:16am
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Ok, if this thing has not been rebored and rifled or alter in some form it should be a 43 Spanish. The 43 Spanish does come in different flavours/sizes and not sure why. I thought the 43 Spanish was a lightly tapered case and not a full blown bottleneck.  What does the bore slug at? 
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Reply #7 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 1:22am
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I almost forgot, this is a really nice Peabody by the look of these pictures. If you can take a picture showing the top of the breech block, I'm guessing that the trough is full length and not a short one like in the Swiss rimfire or the 50 ca rimfires.
There is a Remington cartridge that is the same as the 43 Spanish but Remington called it a 44 something, maybe the 44-70. 
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 1:23am
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I almost forgot, this is a really nice Peabody by the look of these pictures. If you can take a picture showing the top of the breech block, I'm guessing that the trough is full length and not a short one like in the Swiss rimfire or the 50 ca rimfires.
There is a Remington cartridge that is the same as the 43 Spanish but Remington called it a 44 something, maybe the 44-70. 
43 Mauser is different then 43 Spanish I think.
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Reply #9 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 7:37am
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The cartridge with dimensions very similar to the .43 Spanish is the Sharps/Remington .44-77. There’s some data on this web-page:

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A photograph of several loadings can be seen here:

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Reply #10 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 8:45am
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I slugged it but because it has 3 grooves it's kinda hard to be accurate. The best I can tell it measures 0.439. According to my research the stamp on top of the receiver and barrel is a German armory stamp. Supposedly confiscated from the French "like new, unfired" in 1870/1871.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 9:20am
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Thank you for all those links. I printed most of them for posterity. Good info. I'm not having much success with the 370 gr spanish slug from lyman so I'm going to try a lighter boolit, 300-320 gr. The twist is approx. 1:31. I haven't tried paper patch before but may give it a twirl.
  
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Re: Side Hammer Peabody
Reply #12 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 12:29pm
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That's a nice old Peabody.  Phil Sharpe (The Rifle in America) wrote that the Providence Tool Co. sold 39,000 side hammer Peabody rifles in 11 mm Spanish caliber to the French government in 1869/1870.  I think you have a survivor.

George Hoyem, writing in Vol. 2 of "The History and Development of Small Arms Ammunition" reported that the Spanish had accuracy problems with the 11 mm Spanish cartridges in their Remington Rolling Block rifles.  Presumably, your Peabody is chambered and rifled to something like the early Remington specs.

The Spanish attributed some of the problems to the bullet not completely filling the bore.  But the same cartridge seemed to work just fine for Argentina.  I should think that with the slow twist, a shorter, fatter bullet might do better.   You might think about paper patching some unlubed .44 Special or .44 Magnum bullets.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 10:42pm
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It is a nice rifle. Came with sling, cartridge pouch and bayonet. I'd love to take it in the field and dump a big critter but not until we can get it on a barn door. I'm definitely going to give the paper patch a try. I still am not sure of the cartridge. Was thinking maybe the Germans played around before the .43 Mauser was chosen.
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 10:59pm
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Do you have a copy of the Hull book?  If not I can describe the markings on the possible military models for you.
  
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