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Black powder primer
Oct 7th, 2011 at 10:15am
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what is a good modern primer for use with Black powder? thanks, Hank Smiley
  
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Re: Black powder primer
Reply #1 - Oct 7th, 2011 at 11:13am
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I've had good results with a number of primers. I keep a lot of brands on hand for testing.  In my .45-110's WLR primers work well with my paper patch loads, Federal LR Magnum are what I use in my .45-90, and I use Fed LR Match, CCI BR2s, and Fed LR in my .45-70s.

The one thing that sees to be true is that a primer change can make a much bigger difference in group size than going up or down by a couple of grains of BP. You just have to try them and see.

The one trend I've picked out is that the lighter the powder charge, the more my loads perform with a magnum primer.   

I should add that all of my loads are for various .45 cal rifles.  I have an original Winchester 1885 schuetzen rifle in .32-40 that I've yet to work up an accurate load for.   

I've played briefly with pistol primers, but not enough yet.

Over primer wads do seem to improve accuracy in some of my loads. 

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Reply #2 - Oct 16th, 2011 at 11:25pm
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If you look at what a number of winning shooters are using---you will see quite a few are using large pistol primers with an over primer wad. The idea behind this is the milder primer causes less primer "bump" which translates to better more consistent ignition.If you don't believe in "primer bump", load an empty shell with a standard LR primer, chamber it and rest the barrel on your toe and pull the trigger. It will amaze you how much power a primer has. I was skeptical about using pistol primers and got into it gradually. I experimented with over primer wads (opw) all the way from cigarette paper to .008 thick aluminum. I settled on .008 target paper as ideal for me. When I combined a LP primer and OPW, my vertical shots virtuallydisappeared. I use this combo in all my guns, but especially in my 45-90's.
  
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Re: Black powder primer
Reply #3 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 8:20am
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Fashion changes when I first started with single shots everyone told me to use magnum primers. Now they are using regular primers and some are using a newspaper wad under the primer to muffle it more. As black is pretty easy to ignite it would seem to me that the issue is more finding a powder that will give you the best cleanest burn than how to set it off.

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Reply #4 - Dec 12th, 2011 at 5:29pm
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".If you don't believe in "primer bump", load an empty shell with a standard LR primer, chamber it and rest the barrel on your toe and pull the trigger. It will amaze you how much power a primer has." 
Don't you think that this is a bit on the dangerous side??? He might be more than amazed if he decides to do this while not wearing shoes!!!  Huh
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Reply #5 - Dec 12th, 2011 at 5:41pm
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I'm another pistol primer advocate. I use only Rem 1 1/2 & 2 1/2 for BP and also with 4759. I've not used the tisue paper over the primer hole but, it sounds like a good idea (to keep "fines" out) and I will use it this coming spring.

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Re: Black powder primer
Reply #6 - Dec 12th, 2011 at 8:29pm
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I use non plated primers.   

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Reply #7 - Dec 13th, 2011 at 3:15am
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Jack---If you think it's dangerous, then by all means wear shoes! I think you missed my point.
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 13th, 2011 at 4:12am
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zrifleman,

Just curious which method you're using with the OPW wad. Are you dropping it into the case to be held in place by the powder, or are you letting the primer cut the OPW during seating so it is positioned at the bottom of the primer pocket? 

  

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Reply #9 - Dec 13th, 2011 at 2:01pm
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Some of you may be interested in a short article I wrote on the subject.  Go to (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

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Reply #10 - Dec 13th, 2011 at 2:29pm
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".If you don't believe in "primer bump", load an empty shell with a standard LR primer, chamber it and rest the barrel on your toe and pull the trigger. It will amaze you how much power a primer has." 
Don't you think that this is a bit on the dangerous 
side??? He might be more than amazed if he decides to do this while not wearing shoes!!!  Huh
Yes I'm a new member, but I'm anal about safety!!



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Re: Black powder primer
Reply #11 - Dec 13th, 2011 at 3:48pm
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New member or old It's not smart to point a gun at anything you don't want to shoot.  

Bruce Lee's son blew his brains out on a movie set with a blank.  Experienced shooters don't point and snap without considering were the gun is pointing, You never know what's going to come out of the muzzle.

With that caution taken,  I migrated from Federal 215's Magnum primers when they were in fashon dozen years ago to Remington large Pistol primers in my 45/70 38/55 & 32/40 loads.  When last years primer shortage developed opened up a 1000 215's I put away in the primer shortage 10 years ago and used them in 38/55's with 4759. They did fine.

Still given a choice it's large pistol for me. 

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Reply #12 - Dec 13th, 2011 at 4:45pm
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"Primer Bump" - the correct term is Brisance
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A 'hot' primer creates a strong shock wave that whacks the bottom of the BP powder column which creates abnormal ignition of the powder column.  A mild primer allows the powder column to ignite at the front and back at the same time for complete ignition

A Hot LR Primer:
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Except when shooting 50-70's with Fg, I use either a CCI Br2 or a Federal GM150 Match primer because of their low brisance (shock wave) for all other calibers

Note 1 - some primers have either glass or aluminum in the charge which creates additional abnormal brisance against the BP column

Note 2:  Since graphite is an inhibitor of combustion of the charcoal of BP (the oxidizer 'engine'),  I am a big fan of 'socking' my powder to remove the free graphite in the can before charging the reloads which also aids ignition
  
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Re: Black powder primer
Reply #13 - Dec 14th, 2011 at 7:49am
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John Boy 
Nice illustration of brilliance in primers. Many shooters confuse the softer pistol primers with having a softer brilliance. This is not true pistol primers go off with a lighter blow but the explosion, if you will, is the same as rifle primers. 

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Reply #14 - Dec 14th, 2011 at 8:14am
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Would opw have any effect on smokeless?
  

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