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Reply #15 - Oct 18th, 2011 at 12:29am
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Also, when I detail stripped the guts and got all the deposits out of the action, the trigger pull went from a nice clean break at 15 oz to a gritty creep at 1 lb 5 oz.  It seems some rust on the hammer slot for the sear was gunked up and rusted so the sear had very little purchase on it--go figure!.  Went back in to the sear and hammer today and got the trigger to a smooth pull at 1 lb. 2 oz with just a little creep--I'll leave it like that and well enough alone, at least for a lttle while.
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Reply #16 - Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:53pm
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Sometimes you take one step foreward and one step back. Keep up the good work. Stil waiting to get mine back from John Taylor. Can't rush a good craftsman.
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 18th, 2011 at 9:40pm
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Two steps back I think--the lollipop sight and the trigger pull and before that the broken firing pin bushing--had to fix it again today with silver solder (for a better weld), but no biggie, I figure I can always make a new one from scratch out of a drill shank.
But, all of that I have fixed or can fix but the lollipop is going to be just plain tedious I am sure.  It's a PITA to get in to a gun to make it better and work again and  then find hidden things that need work.--kind of like working on old cars or old house plumbing.  But, I like to shoot them, so better fix it now than later on.
Got the barrel blued today and it's curing in oil for the night. Will assemble tomorrow, take to the range to fit and file the front patridge sight and shoot for group, then post some pics tomorrow night.  Guys at bullseye league will get a kick out it on Thurs. night I am sure!
Overall goal is to have a nice shooter that looks like a well cared for 80 or 90 year old gun that that has been shot and has a few character marks, not one that looks unfired and was sitting in a safe all that time, plus have fun with it and make it a nice compliment to my 418 that is about the same original condition as this gun will be when I get done with it.
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 27th, 2011 at 10:25pm
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Well, here's how mine's coming along--but kind of like Sendaro's ugly brother.
Status update;
Cleaned and polished the gun to remove file marks from rt side of reciever at barrel screw.
Replaced original front sight with patridge sight just so I can shoot it as a pistol  while looking for a stock
I tried to repair the broken firing pin bushing twice with some silver solder and filing to shape, but it kept breaking off the little ear as shown--finally made a new one as shown--just used a 7/32 drill bit shank cut to length, then hand filed the cutout, hand filed dressed and polished to match original specs, and works like a charm.
Bad news on front sight--the post was really just rust and the end of the lollipop broke off--good news is that post is really just a 4X48 slotted screw that threads in from the bottom of the base--I have a proper screw coming in I'll mount in a drill chuck against a diamond file and file to original shape in the post area but leave threads at the bottom so it should match the original exactly.
Barrel is cold blued with Oxypho
Target and accuracy==I thought the barrel was REALLY bad, but a few people have said not so bad afterall for an old rimfilre==lands still visible even if pitted.  Shots are numbered--@ 1 was just after cleaning, 2 and 3 were adjusting the sights,  4 was a called flyer. 5 through 10 were all in the black. 
Also, gun will not fire CCI SV ammo--needs 2 strikes on every other cartridge. but Fed. Gold Match works just fine==it's the firing pin placement--firing pin hits to far towards the center of the head to fire CCI.  Also, CCI though normally good in all my guns is wildly inaccurate in this gun and groups twice the size of the Fed. GM with flyers to boot.
This is it until I find a stock or maybe get the aftermarket stock, and an original rear sight
Pic's on the next post (ran out of room)
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Reply #19 - Oct 27th, 2011 at 10:28pm
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Re: Stevens Pocket Rifle info please?
Reply #20 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 2:37am
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I had been wondering what you meant by “firing pin bushing”, since the Model 40 Pocket Rifle has no bushing. The part in your picture is the base section of the firing pin. The small bit that projects from the breech face is the tip of the pin. These are supposed to be a single part.

I own a Model 40 in excellent condition. It was functioning correctly when I obtained it years ago. But when I disassembled it for cleaning and lubrication, I found that the tip of the firing pin had separated from the base. It had cracked off rather cleanly, almost certainly from dry firing. The tip did not fall out because further dry firing had peened its base.

I turned a new firing pin on the lathe, and the gun has worked well ever since. I suggest the same remedy for your gun. You’ll likely find that it will lead to a corrected firing pin strike location, for the pin angle will be under greater control.
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 6:56am
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Hmmm--thanks for the input on the firing pin and "bushing".  The reason i thought they were two separate parts is the pin part that projects through the breach face is the small pin on a very thin base--picture the pin popping up from the center of a small sliver of a disk the same diameter as the base,  that is only maybe 20 thousandths thick. Definitly two parts--I don't see how this little washer or disk type piece with the firing pin projecting from the middle of it could have separated from the end of this base.  Maybe it's already been worked on and fixed with this separate piece?  Wondering now if I should silver solder or soft solder this piece to the base in the correct positon, or just leave as is.  I don't have a lathe though if I wanted to spend the bucks i could have my smith do it.
Maybe try to fix myself and could always have my smith make one if need be.  I might try using a small drill shank the diameter of the firing pin, and drilling a hole in the face of the base and soldering it in  and trimming to size, for lack of a lathe. 
Here's a thought--if your 40 and Sendaro's both had firing pin breakage and maybe mine too, maybe that was a common problem on these guns, and some old time smith "fixed" mine by making this "floating firing pin" that floats on the face of what I've been calling the bushing (as on the picture)
Thoughts anyone?
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Reply #22 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 12:40am
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That thin “disc” at the base of the firing pin tip was formed by peening of the metal from the blows of the hammer and firing pin body. Consider a rivet.

In the case of my pocket rifle, I presumed that the breakage and the peening were due to dry firing. Many guns of this kind became children’s toys for a time, after their initial period of use. The reason I think dry rather than live firing was the cause of the breakage and peening is that when the pin first breaks, the tip would tend to fall out of the breech face upon opening the action. But if the gun is used as a toy, and dry fired many times before opening the action, the base of the tip would be peened over before there would be an opportunity for the tip to fall out.

This process could perhaps occur with live firing, and chance, or dirt or lubricant, preventing the tip from falling out before its base is peened over.

The broken pin in my pocket rifle was the original part, quite neatly separated in two at the junction of the tip to the body. The characteristics of the pin, the history of the gun, and my detailed examination, showed it was fairly certain that the gun had never been serviced. I still have the broken pin, and it looks like a factory part.

Soldering the tip to the body will not make a secure repair. But your other suggestion, of drilling your new body and soldering in an extended tip, is perfectly sound. It would be tricky to accomplish concentrically without a lathe, but you could try improvising with the body chucked in a drill, and the drill bit in a stationary mount. You would have to anneal the body first.
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Reply #23 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 9:06am
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Thanks for your info--I hope the moderators dont move this to the gunsmithing section! (If the do, I'll pick it up there)
 
Interesting--I thought it was made in two pieces because I assumed if the firing pin tip had broken and dryfiring continued, I'd have a dimple in the breach face of the barrel from the firing pin hitting it, much as a too long firing pin will do on many rimfire guns--as there'd be nothing to keep the pin from travelling too far.  Yet there is no dimple at 12 o'clock on the barrel breach.  Yet, I know this gun was given to a 5 year old boy by a note I found tucked away in the grip.
I think I'll try regular or silver solder on it first, then try drilling it and inserting a small drill bit shank in the hole and triming to fit if the solder job doesn't hold.  Kind of like doctors motto  "Do the least invasive procedure first".
I'll take a picture of the original pin and base in two parts so everyone can see what I'm dealing with
Thanks again !!
  
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Reply #24 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 9:59pm
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Steve,
FWIW suggestion. That firing pin is a fairly simple part for someone with a lathe to make. Know we like to do the work ourselves, but have a good gunsmith make, fit and heat treat the firing pin. Should not be very expensive, peening would be eliminated and no further damage to a very nice firearm.
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Reply #25 - Oct 30th, 2011 at 5:42am
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Steve, you have an excellent point! There was no dimpling of the rim area of the barrel breech of my gun, either. And I now realise that it could not have occurred, for the firing pin does not quite reach that surface in its forward-most position. Therefore, the breakage and peening of the tip base must have occurred during live firing.

As Chuck says, the firing pin is very easy to make. It should be done on a lathe, as I did; but a craftsman who is good with a file could probably do it by chucking the work piece in an electric drill that is securely fastened to the work bench.
  
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Reply #26 - Oct 30th, 2011 at 7:54am
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Winnetou,
Thanks for feedback--I wonder if anyone else has a 40 that is original and the firing pin has NOT broken?   
Now I wonder how it would get peened over if it was hardened at the factory--yet maybe these things are breaking because they weren't hardened or not hardened enough.
Chuckster--dunno what I'll do just yet--another thought is maybe I'll make another longer pin from a drill shank pin in a drill press i do have, and make it like Winnetou says with a diamond file if my local smith doesn't want to make one or it's too much $.  I have an old Favorite (before 1901) going to him this wk for a reline, so maybe I'll bring this pin to him too.
  
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Re: Stevens Pocket Rifle info please?
Reply #27 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 9:28am
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418Steve, FWIW here is what I have experienced with the 40s. I have only 2 in my collection, but a close friend of mine has 20 or more. I've looked over the examples in his collection and did not note any with broken firing pins. Some did have burrs from dry firing though.                                                                                         One of mine had a broken firing pin in it when I bought it. Turned one and fitted it to the standing breach. Made it from tool steel but did not harden it. It is working just fine. However there was a peened burr on the edge of the chamber from dry firing. I used the simple tool that Brownell's offers to iron out the burr. It worked like it was said to and all went well. Soldering your old one back together is not going to work. Have a new one made and take the time to fit the notch to the retention screw in the frame. You want that notch just wide enough that it will allow the firing pin travel to the rear to full retract the tip of the pin and forward enough that it make proper contact with the cartridge base without the notch slamming against the retention screw. Hope this helps.
  
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Reply #28 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 1:46pm
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Sendaro,
Thanks for the additional advice. Looks like I'll have at this again whether adapt the one I already made with a small piece of drill shank in the face of it for a firing pin (which hopefully will be hard enough)  or whether I have my favorite local smith make one up on a lathe and then just creat the notch and do the final finish fit myself.

Luckily no barrel face peening or indent on this gun--and that Brownell's " chamber iron" or even a tapered nail set do work well to remove burrs if they occur (have had that problem on a few other 22's)

Will keep you guys posted with pics when it's done and working--it'll be a week or so due to business travel.

Thanks again all!
  
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Re: Stevens Pocket Rifle info please?
Reply #29 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 6:08pm
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Are you still in need of a butt stock? Please advise, as I may know where one might be purchased.
  
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