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Stevens Pocket Rifle info please?
Oct 2nd, 2011 at 3:42pm
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I finally picked up this guy last wk, but still need help identifying it (I know, should ID it first, but price was right and it was local.

First, here's what I know--the LGS did say the now 6" barrel has been cut down- a LONG time ago, looks like a crude job, uneven and file marks under the patina. YET, the front sight dovetail is flawlessly done, so I wonder if it was a 6" barrel that someone damaged the crown and tried to file down.  Sights look all original--hooded front lollipop, fold down leaf style for rear sight.  
But, I can't find in the reference books an exact explanation of this gun with the trigger guard and these sights--is it first or second model or a Hunters Pet? 
Also, all numbers match--barrel, frame, grip cap, stocks. Frame measures .55" across at the action screws and .88" under the barrel.
Bore looks like sin, but it will still put 5 shots in a ten ring a 50' off a rest (about 2") IF I can find the front sight picture.
I'm thinking of doing a barrel blue myself and maybe send it out to be re-nickled, but it is cleaning up pretty well--I've got the file marks on the right side of the frame at the barrel screw almost gone today.
PS--I also found a piece of paper folded and hidden in the grip--it was a present to a 5 yr. old boy in MO. in 1941, so I can see that it might have been cut down to be a boys first pistol, even though the front sight barrel dovetail looks original.
Thoughts on what this is or was?

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Re: Stevens Pocket Rifle info please?
Reply #1 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 5:01pm
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Going by the pictures, and the info you've provided, my SWAG is that you may have a No. 40 New Model pocket rifle with a cut back barrel. 

Also appears that the rear dovetail sight, which should have been a tangent style, was swapped out with a Stevens #106 leaf rear, or a Lyman #6 rear that is missing the "bar" leaf. 

I'm leaning toward the Lyman #6 with the missing leaf, as the single leaf appears to be slightly offset forward of the pivot screws, though my photogrammetry skills may be a bit out of alignment today. 

And this SWAG is worth exactly what you paid for it.   Wink

  

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Reply #2 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 8:44pm
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Thanks BP--I'll check the sight catalogs--whatever the rear sight is, it is not missing any parts.  In the pic from above, the leaf is folded flat on the barrel and you can just see the sight notch in the top of the bar when the leaf portion is folded flat and forward.  The leaf in the other pics just appears to be canted forward, in reality it does go straight up--IE, it rotates 90 degrees, from it's folded forward horizontal position back 90 degrees to full vertical.
What is a "tangent style" sight?
The barrel is polishing up very nicely and I've trued the muzzle and the nickle is coming back too.  Because it's obviously been "doctored" a bit and has no wire stock, I don't mind sprucing the old girl up.   I meant to say too that I have been thinking of having in re-lined as well, but then to take advantage of a liner's accuracy I'd have to locate a stock or get appropriate sights to use it as an offhand pistol.  Who knows, maybe I'll give it to my grandson in a few years when he's old enough to start shooting with my son and I.
By the way, it has a 15 oz. (yes, less than 1 lb.) trigger to die for too--just the faintest amoun of creep.

Here's the "before" pic of the right side I forgot earlier
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I'll keep you guys posted with final plans and how it turns out if you're interested.

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Reply #3 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 9:05pm
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Keep the pictures coming. Definately interested. I have a similar gun that I am currently working on. I think mine was also shortened to 8" as I recall. John Taylor currently has it making a new extractor. I had him reline mine and recomend him highly if you choose to reline it. Stocks are hard to find but are out there. I bought the stock for mine on GB because the price was right and ended up buying the gun it came off from the same guy and ended up bringing it back to a shooter. These are neat period pieces and fun to shoot. I have a really nice one in .32 Rimfire. Ammo cost is a problem with the .32 but fortunately I bought some Navy Arms ammo back when it was available.
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Reply #4 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 9:58pm
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418Steve,

What I referred to as a tangent style sight I think Stevens called the Combination Rear Sight, which has the sliding tangent bar to adjust for elevation.

The tip-up's are neat pistols, and a good way for your grandson to learn off-hand shooting with standard velocity ammo - one slow careful shot at a time. Enjoy it! 
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 10:25pm
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Slumlord, there's a  Pocket Rifle in 32 in my neck of the woods about 95% condition with the stock and a velvet lined custom case--asking price is @ $1100.00--but was a little steep for my gun budget right now (bought a few too many High Std. pistols recently--one of my other weaknesses)  and, like you, I like to shoot my guns and didn't want to get in to having to source 32 ammo or converting it to 22.
Come to think of it, I know of 2 Favorites in 32 as well at KTP in Me., maybe someday someone will make another batch of the stuff for guys like us that like to shoot them.

PS--have John check the firing pin bushing too.  Took it out for the first time tonight and the "lip" on the bottom front was broken off--that forms the slot the screw goes through to keep the bushing from just coming out--yet it had functioned OK for about 150 rounds so far.
It was too small to silver solder back on, so I just built up some phosphor bronze / silver alloy solder and filed it back to shape--so far, so good!
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Reply #6 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 11:31pm
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I keep hearing rumors that Navy Arms is going to run another batch of .32 Rimfire ammo. I will post it here if I am ever able to confirm it.I bought 4 boxes back when it was available the last time for $25 a box + shipping. Picked up two more boxes at a gunshow a couple of years back for $30 a box. Not cheap but better than the $50+ per box I have paid for .25 Rimfire. Wish  somone would run a batch of that. I still think somone could make some money on the .25 Rimfire. The price on the .32 Pocket rifle sounds in the balpark. Know what you mean about the money problem. Getting the T-Bird painted this winter and that will limit my gun money for some time.
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 6th, 2011 at 11:15am
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Work in progress--here's some more pics;
I have the barrel stripped and polished, and playing with the sights;
First, the pics actually make the parts show up a little worse than they look in real life--some of what appear to be pits and file scratches remaining is really just dust and fingerprints--I was in a rush to do the pictures.  Notes are;
Barrel was polished starting with 220 sand paper, then 400, 600, 1500 wet or dry paper, then Simichrome polish on a rag, by hand.  I use my favorite tool--a piece of paint stirrer stick with the paper wrapped around it to help apply more pressure more evenly.  I seems in one place already filed through the nickel long ago, that if I polish it well enough the polished steel blends right in with the old nickel.  Of course at some point I may well send it out to be re-plated anyway.
Barrel--waiting for some Brownell's Oxypho to come in, so hopefully by next Wed. or so the barrel will be blued.  I trued the muzzle with a file (it was 1/16" off with file marks under the patina from an old cut back job) and I crowned it with a round head screw in a drill using Napa water based valve grinding compound, then polished with 400 grit wet or dry wrapped around a sharpened pencil.
Sights--front sight is an unknown 3/8" dovetail metal sight I had in kicking around that looked to be a good height--used a file to trim it down to the 5/16" dovetail on this gun.  Sight is not final fitted yet--any misaligned grooves you see will be taken care of before final polish, blue and fitment are done. I will round the corners to blend with the barrel.
Rear sight;  The original rear sight leaf was loose and floppy and screws were stuck.  I heated the sight gently with a torch three times a day for 3 days and then soaked it in a mix of 1/3 Liquid Wrench and 2/3 Kroil after each time, then let soak for 2 more days--the screws came right out.  I may go to Marbles adjustable sight as a shooter for better sight picture. Pics to follow in the next post
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Reply #8 - Oct 6th, 2011 at 11:20am
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Pics so far;
Next steps are to blue the barrel, polish the frame.  I'll use it as is as an offhand target pistol until I can find or make a wire stock and bring it back to original configuration.
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Reply #9 - Oct 6th, 2011 at 9:45pm
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Steve,
Nice pistol and nice clean-up without being over agressive. Did you notice any lateral loosness of the barrel at the pivot point? Question based on experience with a similar type that was difficult to keep tight with use.
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Reply #10 - Oct 6th, 2011 at 10:05pm
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No lateral looseness, but there are a few thousandths (maybe 5 to 10 thou.)  of vertical looseness that goes away if I really tighten the barrel screw.  When I get to shooting it again, I'll set the screw snug but not tight (if that makes sense) and use blue Loctite so as to not overtighten it to the Nth degree but keep the screw from loosening.
Dont want to prematurely wear anything. Plus the bore looks like one of Slumlord's "sewer pipes" (to plagiarize him) so a few thou. of play wont make much difference, given the sights are on the barrel and my skill level!  I think I'll luck out and if the gun will keep 5 shots under 2" at 50' off a rest I'll leave it as is--tried it the other day and seemed like it wanted to, but can't see the dogone original sights well enough to be sure without a stock for the proper eye relief and didn't feel comfortable with my eye's up close without the stock.  If not under 2", I'll probably have it relined.

I'll be working on sprucing up the frame over the weekend.  The grips will stay as is--just cleaned them with steel wool and alcohol and wiped with Old West Snake Oil, being careful to leave the serial numbers in pencil on the inside of the grip panels.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 7th, 2011 at 1:03am
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Shooting single shot pistols.  Right handed shooters. Place the pistol across the left forearm grab the your shirt push forward with the left arm and pull back with the right.  You will have a very solid off hand position.

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Reply #12 - Oct 7th, 2011 at 7:07am
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Peterson--thanks for the tip!  I was shooting it over my left arm the other day and that did help the sight picture issue with original sights towards the end of my range session with it---but didn't think about the shirt trick!
Thanks!--when I get it back together and benchrest it with the new sight to see how it really groups, I'll try both ways with both sights to see what happens
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 7th, 2011 at 9:46am
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Steve,
Thanks, says something about the quality of the Stevens. The one I was messing with was similar but not Stevens.
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Reply #14 - Oct 18th, 2011 at 12:26am
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slumlord44 wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 9:05pm:
Keep the pictures coming. Definately interested. I have a similar gun that I am currently working on. I think mine was also shortened to 8" as I recall. John Taylor currently has it making a new extractor. I had him reline mine and recomend him highly if you choose to reline it. Stocks are hard to find but are out there. I bought the stock for mine on GB because the price was right and ended up buying the gun it came off from the same guy and ended up bringing it back to a shooter. These are neat period pieces and fun to shoot. I have a really nice one in .32 Rimfire. Ammo cost is a problem with the .32 but fortunately I bought some Navy Arms ammo back when it was available.
Keep us posted and have fun with it.


Here's some pics, plus good news and bad news;
Gun barrel is in the white now--polished with 1500 grit paper, but not buffed out yet.
Frame is polished with 1500 grit paper and Simichrome on a Dremel felt wheel.
Brownell's Oxypho came in today, so I'll start the blue on the barel tomorrow.
Also as you know I've been playing around with sights until I can get a wire stock for it.  This front site is a 3/8" I filed down to 5/16" dovetail--it's shooting about 10" high with the sight that is mounted on it. but about 2' low with the taller sight in the pic with the adjusable Wiliams rear sight so I'll file the tall one down (and the base is the perfect width side to side)
Bad news is the orginal front hooded lollipop site.  The lollipop was so rusted only rust was holding it together after a soak in vinegar to get the blue off and Kroil to kill the acid in the vinegar.  Now I'll have to fabricate a new lollipop, probably by filing down an insert from a Lyman 17A.  That will be a challenge!  And a time for another day this winter.
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