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Wipe or Blow-tube?
Sep 28th, 2011 at 10:26am
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As we do not have a 'shooting the single-shot rifle' forum, I'll put his here. Obviously a BP topic, but have noticed a progression in shooting BPCR silhouette over the past two years. A couple of years ago most everyone on the line was using a blow-tube between shots with a clean between strings (generally 5-shots). Then, a few folks moved to using a wet-patch followed by a dry patch between shots. Time consuming, but doable once you get the procedure down. Now, almost all seem to have moved to a single 'damp' patch with a magic elixir of choice between shots with a couple between strings. After shooting a match a couple of weeks ago where it was overcast and in the mid-70s, but with low humidity, I found that I had to huff & puff between shots with the blow-tube. Hot barrel and humidity in the 30 range dried out the barrel very rapidly. Think I'm going to test a mix of 2 oz of water-based cutting oil, 2 oz of Mitch's oil soap and 2 oz of alcohol in a quart of water for wetting my patches clean between shots. Will compare to blow-tube between shots at 200yd. If you are wiping between shots, what fluid are you using?
  

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Reply #1 - Sep 28th, 2011 at 10:29am
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Reply #2 - Sep 28th, 2011 at 12:56pm
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In my 38-55 I use one dry partch over a bore brush between shots.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 28th, 2011 at 2:23pm
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Shooter - whose powder and what grade are you shooting?  And with or without a greased wad or grease cookie?

Below 40% Rh is the bench mark when foul starts to harden due to less hygroscopic moisture drawn into the bore.  Plus some powder's foul might harden more than others and some powders harden all the time

For me, blow or patch (2 cotton balls, 1 straight water and other dry) - depends on the brand of powder I used for the reload
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 28th, 2011 at 6:43pm
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I took cod liver oil gel tab things, soft outside gummy things, for years. I've always wondered how one of these, or a gel tab of water, would work if put in the powder in a ctg or muzzle loaded. With BP. Might that kep the fouling soft and no clean or blow tube needed?
I want to know.
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Reply #5 - Sep 28th, 2011 at 7:00pm
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Only good reason to Blow Tube is short relay and not a lot of time.  Some days that's a big factor in BPCS, when wind makes waiting out shots the way to go.   Less time loading more time to pick your shots. It was the only way rifles were handled BPCS, still popular but not universal.

Wiping is much more consistent and results in a cleaner bore shot to shot.  Breech seating I use half anti freeze and water on a pre dampened patch. Then one more dry, two wipes total per shot.  Also use a "Spaghetti" rod home made out of Delrin tipped with a soft nylon brush. Personally I don't think the formula makes any difference at all, Water is doing the work.

At times will wipe out the chamber with a separate shot pistol rod. All depends on the ambient humidity and how fowling is building up and "feels" when seating my bullet. Wide variance in how fowling builds with different humidity. Summer time our Virginia range humidity is generally very high and not a lot of hard fowling build up.

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Reply #6 - Sep 28th, 2011 at 11:09pm
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I shoot PP bullets so B tubing is not an option.

Wipe with NAPA cutting oil and water 1:6 or 8, two damp patches. Drying out the chamber with a pistol brush is all that is needed. 

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Reply #7 - Sep 29th, 2011 at 1:48am
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MikeT wrote on Sep 28th, 2011 at 11:09pm:
I shoot PP bullets so B tubing is not an option.

Wipe with NAPA cutting oil and water 1:6 or 8, two damp patches. Drying out the chamber with a pistol brush is all that is needed. 

Keep on hav'n fun!
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Hi Mike.   

Have you tried the blow tube with your PP bullets? What happens?   


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Reply #8 - Sep 29th, 2011 at 8:17am
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A lot of the long-range muzzleloaders use Auto antifreeze (Ethel Glycol) cut about 4 : 1. A damp patch and then a dry one.

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Reply #9 - Sep 29th, 2011 at 10:16am
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+1 on MikeT's method.  Wiping is historically correct also.  It was the way they shot at Creedmoor.
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Reply #10 - Sep 29th, 2011 at 10:28am
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In years gone by, I shot matches, 50 shots, plus sighters, using straight black powder (goex), duplexed with 4F under a 50/50 mix of 3f and 2f, without blowing or wiping, lowest Rel Humidity at 36% and would win the match or finish in the money.

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Reply #11 - Sep 29th, 2011 at 9:45pm
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Westerner,

Now I only blow tube with my 40-70SS.  That works only some of the time.  Last year at the Q, it didn't work and I'm still mining lead.  Actually, I finally got the very last of it out this week, so I can shoot this weekend.  I'll wipe with two damp patches, and I don't care if it is foggy or raining.
With my 40-82 Win. at a LR match at Lodi, WI several years ago, I fouled out in a slight rain, using over 15 breathes down the tube.  Embarrassed
That was the end of my blow tubing for LR matches.

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Reply #12 - Sep 30th, 2011 at 11:40am
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Mike that's the kind of thing that got me off the blow tube. Sometimes it works sometimes not and a lot of blowing takes longer than wiping which always works.

Main thing is to be consistent

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Reply #13 - Sep 30th, 2011 at 3:23pm
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MikeT wrote on Sep 29th, 2011 at 9:45pm:
Westerner,

Now I only blow tube with my 40-70SS.  That works only some of the time.  Last year at the Q, it didn't work and I'm still mining lead.  Actually, I finally got the very last of it out this week, so I can shoot this weekend.  I'll wipe with two damp patches, and I don't care if it is foggy or raining.
With my 40-82 Win. at a LR match at Lodi, WI several years ago, I fouled out in a slight rain, using over 15 breathes down the tube.  Embarrassed
That was the end of my blow tubing for LR matches.

Keep on hav'n fun!
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Geez Mike, fifteen breaths?!  Ugh!  One of the aspects of BP shooting I dont care for. 
 
Many shooters at a silhouette match in Butte earlier this summer were wiping with dampened patches. It is much faster than blow tubing. Much more effective. 

I've had good luck with the blow tube.  Also like KAF, had my best luck and scores with duplex loads.

Think I have good results with the BT because it's cool and damp here in the PNW most of the time.   

When I read your post I immediately thought about tapered PP bullets and how a blow tube might work. 

When it comes to these old style rifles, loads and shooting I like to try everything.  Trouble with BP for me is making it happen the same from day to day. I'm now struggling with my bestest 32/40 BP rifle.   Sad

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Reply #14 - Sep 30th, 2011 at 3:34pm
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I have shot MOA size 10 rd groups at 200 using no BT and w/o wiping in a 45-100 using PPBs. I used about 0.300" of grease cookie and had only 0.150-0.200" of the bullet base in the case. The problem has been keeping the fouling soft enough to get the next round chambered without ripping the patch. The bore was never perfectly clean but that did not seem to make a difference as long as what fould was in the barrel was soft. I developed those loads in Germany using Swiss 2F and did not have the humidity or heat problems that I have here in AZ, accordingly I cannot now duplicate that performance. I have sold the 45-100 and now have a 45-110, perhaps I can get more grease in the cookie with the longer case and duplicate the old load's performance. 

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