Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 Send TopicPrint
Normal Topic BP (Read 2510 times)
Hank45
Oldtimer
*****
Offline


Beer is living proof that
GOD loves you

Posts: 506
Location: MA
Joined: Jan 21st, 2010
BP
Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:18am
Print Post  
What is the F # of the Govt. loaded 45 caliber cartridge? Thanks, Hank Smiley
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuestionableMaynard8130
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 4144
Location: Benton  Harbor MI
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: BP
Reply #1 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:44am
Print Post  
Checking a couple of my reference books, the authors are pretty unanimous that the original milspec called for 70 gr of 1F.

Are you asking contemporary loadings for the cartridge or are you asking what the original 19th century powder grade was?  For historical research purposes or to create authentic loads?

  If the latter, bear on mind that the 19th century powders may have quality variations from modern powders of the same nominal grade designation.  there is a wealth of info out there on the 45-70 probably a good half dozen books and who knows how many articles.  If you look in the book section at Brownells or Track of the Wolf you should find a wide selection.
  

sacred cows make the best burger
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Hank45
Oldtimer
*****
Offline


Beer is living proof that
GOD loves you

Posts: 506
Location: MA
Joined: Jan 21st, 2010
Re: BP
Reply #2 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 12:47pm
Print Post  
DWS I was curiious because most information that I read  about the old cartridges mention just loaded with powder and not grainulations by F#, thanks, Hank Smiley
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
boats
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 7728
Location: Virginia
Joined: Apr 23rd, 2004
Re: BP
Reply #3 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 2:47pm
Print Post  
Hank most of the old data does not list F's like we do today, 2 f 3 f etc.  When they say "FG" or "FFG" it's the same as our saying 1F or 2F

Like DWS said what it was called years ago may not be what it is today. On a relative scale only FG is coarser than FFG, is FFFG fine and FFFFG very fine mostly used for priming flintlocks.

Boats
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuestionableMaynard8130
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 4144
Location: Benton  Harbor MI
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: BP
Reply #4 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 3:37pm
Print Post  
today we only have a very few MFG who are making true black powder and we do have modern QC standards (let alone OSHA and State-OSHA standards)  so today's powder is much more uniform

in the 17th-19th century there were many more small mfgs and standards and QC was at best dubious, even within a given factory.  by the 19th century the production was becoming more industrialized and quality BP became more reliable.  ( the Civil War must have given a HUGE boost to the BP industry along with the mining, canal, and railroad building of the expansionist era.  I have never run across a good history of the industry other than  the Peters and King book)

BY the time of the 45-70 gvmt and industry probably had huge quantities of CW excess musket powder which was used in the gvmt ammo production.  After all development of the 45 and 50-70  TDs was an offshoot of efforts to reuse the CW surplus arms and equipment as a cost saver.

  I suspect that much of our knowledge of original 45/50-70 ammo comes from pulling old ammo and comparing the powder granuals to lat 19th cent and determining the F-FFFF grade by comparison.  the military probably specced it as "musket powder"
  

sacred cows make the best burger
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send TopicPrint