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.22-5-40 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 828 Joined: Feb 13^th, 2010	.25-25 Stevens 2nd. Range outing. Sep 19^th, 2011 at 1:28pm	Print Post
	Hello, everyone. Well, Sunday was nice & I headed for range. Set uo at 50yd. All loads used Ideal 25730, 100gr. & SPG This time I had added a grease cookie to loads..1/16" B.W. wad over powder, 1/16 & 1/8" SPG grease cookie & bullet seated on grease. Blow tubed between shots, accuracy around 2"-3." No baked on fouling at breech. I next tried duplex loads using SR4759..Started all over again with 20.0gr. 3FG Swiss & 2.0gr.4759. Went up 1gr. until I got to 22.0gr. & then for some reason I went up to 24.0..all loads used 2.0gr. smokeless. Accuracy with duplex about the same as with straight black..this puzzled me. Bore now looked like it was shot with a very low dirty burning 4227 start load..lands visible, but grooves choked full of fouling. Got the idea to use blow tube between shots..Using the 22.0gr. load, Group shrunk to 1". One thing I noticed right away..With a full case of black..I can get over 25gr. of 3FG Swiss in these RCM cases, Case practically fell out of chamber. Now however, starting with the 22.0gr. Swiss & 2.0gr. 4759...There was just the slightest hint of friction on case coming out of chamber. The 24.0 & 25.0 Swiss loads definatly were getting sticky. I then tried some loads with 2.5gr. SR4759 against primer..Accuracy around 1" still needed blow-tube between shots. At 25.0gr. Swiss..Case sticking was becoming alarming..had to use thumbnail to remove..& then on my last shot..I got a case seperation! I was sweating bullets with a B.P. fouled brl. with 1/2 case in there! At home, I tapped bullet in muzzle & thru bore, removing broken case. No harm done. Now I am wondering, I know I can stick with straight black..but the idea of swabing after each shot doesn't appeal. Since with this small bore, I had to blow-tube anyway, I could try reducing the SR4759 to 1-1.5 gr.? I know there are many opinions on this but.. Would a light, straight smokeless load of suitable powder be advised?


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7659 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: .25-25 Stevens 2nd. Range outing. Reply #1 - Sep 19^th, 2011 at 2:07pm	Print Post
	I've never messed with the 25/25 but, I have done a lot of duplex loads in larger calibers. My 32/35 being the most accurate. I have also only loaded Goex powders and I've found that the coarser granulation are more accurate (in my rifles). I shoot only FG in my rifles but, they are 30 cal and larger so, a suggestion would be to try FFG and up to 3.5 gr 4759 (15%). In my calibers, I get a light soot in the barrel but, nothing sticking to the barrel, it's self. I didn't use a grease wad but a 1/6 card wad and a soft lube similar to Emmert. Frank

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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4233 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: .25-25 Stevens 2nd. Range outing. Reply #2 - Sep 19^th, 2011 at 7:10pm	Print Post
	I have been using Swiss FFFg in my .25-20 SS. Smaller caliber cases prefer the finer black powder as opposed to the coarser black powder used for the larger calibers. With blow tubing each shot when using Alberta Schuetzen lube I have no build up and can easily shoot 100 shots without any cleaning. Just got a Stevens 44 in .25-20SS and have not yet worked up the sweet spot for it. So far 7.5 -8.0 grains of H4227 using a David Mos 120 grain bullet, and 9.0 grains of H108, AA#9 or WC820 have worked well for initial testing using the Paul Jones 122 grain Spitzer bullet .


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: .25-25 Stevens 2nd. Range outing. Reply #3 - Sep 30^th, 2011 at 10:23pm	Print Post
	I've used 6.9 grains of AA #9 in my 25-21, with an 88 grain bullet. After 120 rounds I am satisfied that standard deviations are better than 4227. Velocity on the Chrony is around 1400 fps from 24" barrel. Quickload calculates pressure at just less than 12K psi. Bench accuracy is only so-so, as far as I've gone. The trigger on that particular Model 44 1/2 needs to be worked over substantially. But I'm still getting 2-3 moa from an original barrel that's got some pitting.

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