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Harrells Schuetzen/Pistol Measure
Sep 13th, 2011 at 8:15am
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Anybody use the Harrell's small for very light pistol powder charges. 3.7 Hodgen Clays.  5.6 W 231  5.7 Unique etc ?

I have one of Harrell's first measures, larger size but don't use it for pistol powders.  Few times I tried it would not throw constent charges of Unique.   If the small Schuetzen would throw light would be worth my getting one.

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Re: Harrells Schuetzen/Pistol Measure
Reply #1 - Sep 13th, 2011 at 9:14am
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Boats,

Altho I don't use my Harrel Schuetzen measure for the powders you list I do use it for AA#9, and it throws 7.2 grs. for my. 25/20SS very consistently and for the. 32 MS & .32/40.

A friend just got one for his SS's and seems very happy with it.

Problem tho....... After trying unsucessfully to get one from Harrel ( lots of excuses) he finally decided to get it from Brownells/Sinclair who had them on hand. YMMV.

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Re: Harrells Schuetzen/Pistol Measure
Reply #2 - Sep 13th, 2011 at 9:21am
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During the Astounding Powder Measure Test I found NO measure that would consistently throw charges of Unique. None. Almost every measure was consistent with A9. Ball powders are easy.
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boats wrote on Sep 13th, 2011 at 8:15am:
Anybody use the Harrell's small for very light pistol powder charges. 3.7 Hodgen Clays.  5.6 W 231  5.7 Unique etc ?

I have one of Harrell's first measures, larger size but don't use it for pistol powders.  Few times I tried it would not throw constent charges of Unique.   If the small Schuetzen would throw light would be worth my getting one.

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Re: Harrells Schuetzen/Pistol Measure
Reply #3 - Sep 13th, 2011 at 10:19am
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Pete my Harrells throws 10.2 of 4227 just fine too, something about the light bulky pistols powders it does not like.  Not sure which one I have one of the first ones does not list it anymore. It was his economy model anodized not polished no bearings on the rotor either.

Joe found the same thing with Unique, even worse with the current popular cast bullet pistol powder Hodgen Clays. Clays has about taken over from Bullseye with the shoot a lot guys.  None of the adjustable measures I use will throw Unique to my liking

However the fixed rotor measures like the out of production Bonanza and the current RCBS little dandy work better than most and if operated with a slow turn of the knob, acceptable for pistol work anyway.

Only thing is it's a pain not to be able to throw exactly what I want, have to live with whatever the fixed rotor throws. Probably not a problem 5.9 or 6.1 of Unique no real difference as long as the loads are consistent.  Other pain is for larger charges like the 8.4 Unique I am using in my 38/40 I throw double charges using the rotor that throws 4.2  

Good adjustable pistol measure would be worth having

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Reply #4 - Sep 13th, 2011 at 11:24am
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I love the little schuetzen for H4227..But I tried it once with TrailBoss.  Gummed up the works!  Had to practically tear it apart to get it all out!
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Reply #5 - Sep 13th, 2011 at 12:55pm
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I found powders like Unique etc... seem to work best thru the old lil'Dandy Pacific  or Hornady bushing type measurers.  The kicker would be to get the right bushings for the desired charge. 
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Reply #6 - Sep 15th, 2011 at 11:05pm
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Well I called Linwood Harrell who says the Small Pistol/Schuetzen measures Unique well, and if I did not like it could send it back. Ones on the way to me in the mail right now.

Not giving up on the fixed rotors just yet though they are real useful for some jobs.

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Re: Harrells Schuetzen/Pistol Measure
Reply #7 - Sep 16th, 2011 at 7:55pm
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I have a medium size Harrell.  I think the problem is the measuring drum is too narrow and deep for best results with small charges of flake powders.  A sort of bridging effect results, with full charges and then light ones.  For maximum ease with flake type powders in small charges I think a better design is the Lyman #55, with a slide that allows a wide opening that is shallow.

I've been able to get the Harrell to deliver small charges if I rap the crank lever back a few times before dumping it so the powder packs as completely as possible.  Unless the number of raps is four or less, it becomes almost as time consuming as weighing the powder out.  I watch the powder as it falls through the clear tube, and also wind up check-weighing the charges more often than with my B&M, because I catch more variations with the Harrell.

It's great for small granule, ball or medium charges of stick powders though.
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 16th, 2011 at 9:11pm
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Unique is always a difficult powder to measure because of its flat flakes.  I do a lot of reloading for an SASS cowboy shooter and I only use Unique.  I use a Lee set of auto disks and for this powder they are close enough for pistol usage.  I also used Unique for shotshell reloading when I used to shoot trap a lot 30 years ago.

Unique was never meant to be used for accurate measurement in my opinion.  When Hercules (actually Laughlin and Rand) created Unique in 1899 or thereabouts the idea was for it to replace black powder in bulk measure.

In my experience even the charges thrown with the Lee autodisk system can vary as much as +/- 0.3 grains.  But for pistol and shotgun that is good enough IMHO.  The guy I reload for is very happy.

Bottom Line: Don't expect to find anything that measure Unique consistently.  If you need to measure every charge on the scale and use a trickler, but, that takes time.
  
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Re: Harrells Schuetzen/Pistol Measure
Reply #9 - Sep 16th, 2011 at 10:31pm
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Will have to see how the small drum Harrells works.  It's not going to be worse than my old Harrells and probably be better.

Agree Unique is a severe test of a measure.   

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