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Reply #15 - Aug 19th, 2011 at 8:19pm
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I purchashed a Stevens Model 44 in 25-20 SS and it was inspected at the border. They agreed it was an antique and no paper work or requirements to import into Canada after purchasing it as an antique in the US.
  
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Reply #16 - Aug 19th, 2011 at 10:11pm
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I ship from CAL and to all over the U. S. with very few problems.
Shipping an antique gun of any type is really easy 99% of the time, it is that 1% though that could bite you. That is why I always double check the state that I am sending it to and any city rules just in case. I'm like Boats and others, I do not want to get caught in a sting. And some sellers on Gunbroker are getting busted sending to NYC and JERSEY. So check and be safe.
Most of the time I ship USPS and I will tell you why, If you are mailing a high dollar rifle and insure it and they break it or loose it then you get the insurance. Last time they broke any of my stuff it was a nice model 1885 cracked the butt stock right the heck through at the wrist, looked like they had used my box for a pry bar or a seat for someone with a very fat can. That was a $2,000.00 check. UPS broke a box right where the rear sight of a Ballard rifle is and laid the sight back, I claimed 60.00 loss and still have not been paid, that was 5 years ago. FedEX does a fair job too. But FEDEX has had problems paying claims. For your own insurance make sure you insure for the full purchase price and take lots of pictures, detailed close up are best of items that are easy to break such as pictures of the wrist from all 4 sides, sights, and several overall pictures. This increases your chances of actually settling a claim as with a broken wrist you will have to prove it was not broken when shipped.
  
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Reply #17 - Aug 19th, 2011 at 11:58pm
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Personaly have had better luck with USPS both shipping and recieving guns. UPS managed to break a stock me. Fed Ex has a bad habit of leaving guns at my back door when no one is at home. As an individual I must ship to an FFL or C&R if applicable. C&R was my best purchase. Only problem is some FFL's will not ship to a C&R. Their loss. Antique can go to individual unless state or local laws prohibit it. Good idea to check if any questions.
  
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Reply #18 - Aug 20th, 2011 at 9:10am
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I've shipped all my antique firearms through USPS, but I had a lot of trouble in the beginning. First time I tried they freaked out and told me "they don't ship guns of ANY kind."
I went home and called our main post office and got a very nice guy who was sympathetic, and told me to go back and tell them he said it was OK. I went back and gave them his name and number, and they still refused.
Headed home and called him again, he directed me to their web site and the correct area to print out their regulations. I printed out the rules and took them with me. Same lady looked them over and still wouldn't accept it until she got her boss to read them.
They finally accepted the package and made a copy of the rules. I've gone back many times since then, and always keep the rules with me.
But the real key is what the guy at the main post office told me, "Don't tell them what's in the package!"
Seems that those 4 questions they ask are not anything to do with what's inside, and he said if thye asked me what's inside to tell them, "You're not supposed to ask that."
My mistake the first time was the lady casually asked, "What's in here that's so long and heavy?" And I mistakenly told her.
Since then I simply drop the package on the counter, pay the fees, and head home. Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies! Smiley
  

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Reply #19 - Aug 20th, 2011 at 10:25am
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My mistake the first time was the lady casually asked, "What's in here that's so long and heavy?" And I mistakenly told her.

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Reply #20 - Aug 20th, 2011 at 7:39pm
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My understanding is that you are required to declare that it is a firearm. No problems at my local small town post office once I explained what I was doing and the postmaster checked out the regulations. Some postal employees don't have a clue. No wonder they are losing money.
  
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Reply #21 - Aug 20th, 2011 at 8:00pm
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Hi Slumlord 44, you are correct, but when dealing with antique guns the rules change a bit in our favour. Any firearm made before 1899 is considered a NON Firearm. So as long as you are shipping any firearm made proir to 1899 you do not need to tell them at all. 
Just pack it insure it and ship it.
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Reply #22 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 8:42am
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A few years ago, I mailed a Lo Wall to Kansas.

I printed out the regulations from the ATF and USPS web sites, took it to the larger local PO.
I told the clerk it was a antique rifle, She right away told me I could not use the USPS to ship the rifle.
Handed her the regs, she read them and said she needed to ask the Post Master.
When she came back we shipped the rifle.

IF there is damage or loss and you told them it was something else, your coverage is voided.

Always good to have the rules in hand and stand your ground, when you are right.
  
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Reply #23 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 10:27am
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mwhite49 wrote on Aug 20th, 2011 at 8:00pm:
Hi Slumlord 44, you are correct, but when dealing with antique guns the rules change a bit in our favour. Any firearm made before 1899 is considered a NON Firearm. So as long as you are shipping any firearm made proir to 1899 you do not need to tell them at all. 
Just pack it insure it and ship it.
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That's exactly what the postal expert at the main branch told me. "They aren't guns prior to 1899, so no need to declare them."
  

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Reply #24 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 9:03pm
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Good to know. My PO is no problem either way but no need to give them more info than necessary.
  
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Reply #25 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 9:51pm
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You are right, to much information overloads there little pea brains where they get to the point that they can't function. Just teasing here. Most Post Office workers are OK.
The best thing is though that the USPS will most of the time honor the insurance. But you need picture proof that is was OK at the time of shipment. I know this as I had then refuse to pay on one broken stock as I had pictures but not detailed enough or clear enough.
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Reply #26 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 9:02am
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It is good that the USPS honors their insurance.  They have for me, they paid to replace a broken reticle in a well packaged Unertl scope.  Unfortunately that is not what I want, just as with a guarantee, I don't want my money cheerfully refunded:  I want what I paid for to work.  If you look at just this thread, and the top thread under General Discussion concerning a Lyman STS, you will see all sorts of stories concerning the postal service breaking things.  That is why I use FedEX.  I don't work for them, but they have always worked for me.  My personal opinion is that the better package tracking makes their people more accountable for damage or loss.
  
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Reply #27 - Aug 26th, 2011 at 7:32pm
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OK........... let's expand this. What qualifies as a C&R gun?
  

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Reply #28 - Aug 26th, 2011 at 8:21pm
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The C & R deal get real bad as far as I know. To n=be C & R eligible the firearm in question I was told has to be in it's original form, not modified. 
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Reply #29 - Aug 26th, 2011 at 10:34pm
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No need to speculate!  Here is the word directly from the ATF's official website. 

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Most C&R activity revolves around older military firearms.  The comments about "modification"  would not apply to re-stocking, re-barreling, refinishing vintage single-shot rifles--most of us are not adding extended magazines, flash hiders, forward grips, etc., to our single shot rifles.  Indeed, as far as original single shots go, very few are not antiques (1898 or before) except for 44 1/2 Stevens and 1885 Winchesters.  I have been accumulating a representative collection of Savage/Stevens rifles made after WWI (417, 418, Ideal, Favorite)  and my C&R license has been very useful.  Mine paid for itself the first time I used it as I didn't have to pay a Kalifornia dealer's obscene transfer fee!!
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