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Reply #15 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 5:00pm
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Because I pressure pour, the spout of the Lyman isn't long enough and interfers with my sprue plates. The Lee on my 10#'s gives more clearance. They have a guide on the Lyman for multicavity molds and it works well but, I still can't pressure pour.

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Reply #16 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 5:25pm
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Pressure pour? Is the pressure generated by the weight of the molten lead or do you pressurize with an external source? 

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Also, why does one need an ingot mold? Does one need to empty the pot and not let the lead solidify in it?

Anyone ordered from Rotometals? They have the Rowell ladles and also sell 20-to-1 lead with free shipping.
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Reply #17 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 6:38pm
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Pressure pouring is when you hold the pot spout in contact with the sprue plate while filling the mold. The lead in the pot supplies the pressure to fill out the mold. That also happens to a much lesser extent when you hold the ladle spout against the mold sprue plate while filling it.

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Reply #18 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 6:39pm
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SSS,

  Before you get too confused with helpful advice I'll give mine.
Get a Lee 20# pot and a RCBS dipper and learn to use that. It will be hard to do better.
  

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Reply #19 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 7:01pm
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Jeff_Schultz wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 6:39pm:
SSS,
Get a Lee 20# pot and a RCBS dipper and learn to use that. It will be hard to do better.
Problem with the RCBS dipper is it is now made in China and not very well per all the recent feedback I've read. The '08 and older posts like it, but the new posts are not favorable. Pretty much why I never shop at wallyworld. Don't like junk.
  

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Reply #20 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 7:45pm
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SSS,
For lead, go to the local scrap yard and look for sheet lead or lead pipe. Then go to the hardware store and buy (no acid or resin) 50/50 solder. You will have (by weight) 50% tin and 50% lead. 

Use 9 lb of lead (144 oz) add 14.4 oz of 50/50 solder (7.2 lead and 7.2 tin). You then have a mixture of 21/1 lead to tin. 151.2 lead / 7.2 tin = 21 to 1. Nothing has be exact. Your shooting won't be affected if you use 7.5 oz of tin instead of 7.2 or if you have a few more ounces of lead. But, that is the way it's calculated.

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Reply #21 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 9:51pm
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I always clean out my pot and pour the mix into ingot molds when through casting. Lee sells one that cost very little. Reason is I cast for Single shots mostly 1/25 and pure lead for a Minne Ball Rifle keep the mix seperate.  Will also cast up some 1 lb cannon ball sinkers for deep wire line trolling with scrap lead. Also if the iron pot is empty you can brush it out.  Clean is good particularly if using a small .32 caliber nose pour mold.

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Reply #22 - Aug 2nd, 2011 at 8:02am
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In my opinion it is easier to learn to cast good consistent bullets with the dipper method than with a bottom pour pot. Once you learn how hot your metal wants to be to fill out the mould well (nice sharp edges, no whiskers) then work on a casting rhythm so that the weight stays consistent. For about a 200 grain .32 you should be able to stay with in .3 tenths of a grain once you get the mould up to casting temps. 

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Reply #23 - Aug 2nd, 2011 at 3:58pm
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If I haven't mentioned, I'll be casting 38 cal rifle bullets from the 249gr Lyman and the 312gr RCBS molds to start with. Once I get these working well I'll figure out what is next. 

OK......... have ordered the Lee 20# pot with bottom pour. Should have everything together in time to get started while it is still 90F+ outside. Just what is needed to help keep nice stable temps.  Wink

Thanks to all for your input. Much appreciated.
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Reply #24 - Aug 16th, 2011 at 11:35pm
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SSShooter,
I think you made a good choice. I have made many thousands of very good bullets with bottom pour pots (RCBS - 2 of them).  I have found that the dipper works better for larger bullets (.45 - 400+ grs.) though.

With some molds I drop pour, holding the mold an inch or so below the spout. With others, I do make spout contact....typically with .30 and less caliber molds.

I do leave alloy in my pots all the time. The only time I empty them is if I am changing alloys.  Make sure that you read the pot instructions about not running the pot below a certain level. I refill if the level gets down to 1" or so.  Otherwise, you can burn out the eating element prematurily.  Been there, done that.

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Reply #25 - Aug 17th, 2011 at 6:42am
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w44wcf wrote on Aug 16th, 2011 at 11:35pm:


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 I have found that the dipper works better for larger bullets (.45 - 400+ grs.) though.

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Because?


My theory is that one can fill the cavity faster (read more consistantly).


  

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Reply #26 - Aug 17th, 2011 at 6:59am
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Bigger is better keeps the lead temp more consistent. Too big is hard to handle with small molds.

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Reply #27 - Aug 17th, 2011 at 7:56am
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Something I have not seen here.
I have been casting for every caliber I own for 50 years. 20# Lee pot much cheaper than to repair Lyman which I think was not as consistant in temp as the Lees. Lymans quit and when the Lee quit they sent a free replacement. 
I recently learned after fluxing a handfull of cat litter in the pot keeps the aloy clean and eliminates further fluxing.
  
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Reply #28 - Aug 18th, 2011 at 7:52am
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If I were going to buy a pot now I'd get one from Fergison (the antimony man) It is as good an electric pot as is available. The design has a nice wide lip so you can place your mould on it and heat it up as your lead is melting. About a 20# capacity. 

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