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Hank45 Oldtimer Offline Beer is living proof that GOD loves you Posts: 506 Location: MA Joined: Jan 21^st, 2010	two compartment 24" rear bag Jul 29^th, 2011 at 4:39pm	Print Post
	I have a two compartment 24" rear bench bag, what do I fill it with? Thanks for your answer, Hank


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #1 - Jul 29^th, 2011 at 5:05pm	Print Post
	I use silica sand in mine. Frank

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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1600 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #2 - Jul 29^th, 2011 at 6:24pm	Print Post
	Go to Tractor Supply and get a bag of "Black Diamond" blasting sand. About 1/3 heavier than sily sand.

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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3872 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #3 - Jul 29^th, 2011 at 7:30pm	Print Post
	Is there not something in THE RULES about there having to be SAND in the sand bags?

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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #4 - Jul 30^th, 2011 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	it specifies "sand" in principle as opposed to filling it with lead shot as some did in the past. I do not have access to my copy of the rule book right now. I'm not sure whether it gives chemical composition or grit size specification.

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #5 - Jul 30^th, 2011 at 8:38pm	Print Post
	So if my silica sand just happens to have a high Pb-Sn content, I should still be in compliance....right?

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #6 - Jul 30^th, 2011 at 9:07pm	Print Post
	Jeff, What makes "black Diamond" so heavy? Do you know? Frank

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #7 - Jul 30^th, 2011 at 9:29pm	Print Post
	Frank, This might explain it: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Look in the part about Black Beauty Abrasives.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #8 - Jul 30^th, 2011 at 10:30pm	Print Post
	Thanks Brian, It looks like it's about 80% or more metal, mostly iron. Frank

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KAF Ex Member	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #9 - Jul 31^st, 2011 at 7:52am	Print Post
	From the book: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Section 2.91: Sandbags and Rests A sandbag or shaped rear rest sand filled bag made of leather or canvas may be used under the toe of the butt stock. An anti-cant device (bob-sled) similar to the Pope style muzzle rest or the one described in Mann’s book is permitted. Also a spirit level or sight attached to the barrel is permitted. A simple stop may be attached to the front rest as an aid in realigning the rifle for the next shot. This may be contacted by the muzzle rest or the forearm at the discretion of the shooter if used at all. The front rest assembly and rear bag may not be connected mechanically or tied together. The shooting bench top surface is the only common connection between the two that will be allowed.


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #10 - Jul 31^st, 2011 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	Frank, I'm thinking my bags filled with backstop sand and a few bullet tailings probably weighs less than Jeff's boiler plate slag.

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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #11 - Jul 31^st, 2011 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	I am suspecting that this is ne of those grey areas that has been subject to SM-interpretation in the past. I KNOW I was told when I first got started that sand-only, no lead shot was allowed. However I did not dare to ask to see the chapter and verse at the time. I did not have a front rest and was suing a couple of stacked bags of bird shot as a front rest. It was permitted as a "guest/visitor" but I got a cheap orange Outers rest before the next match

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #12 - Jul 31^st, 2011 at 8:24pm	Print Post
	The rule says SAND with no exceptions so, it should be decided by the definition of what sand is. Other wise it is breaking the rule. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) How else will a match director be able to make a decision if there were a protest. Frank

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KAF Ex Member	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #13 - Aug 1^st, 2011 at 7:34am	Print Post
	Sand, a loose granular material that results from the disintegration of rocks, consists of particles smaller than gravel but coarser than silt. Ok for sake of discussion. "disintegration of rocks" Is Iron ore a rock? Does it have to be disintegrated by nature or man made machines? Lake sand or Bank sand? Slag sand? Silica sand? Depleted uranium sand? Galena sand? There are Many different sands. One definition will not work, will it?


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: two compartment 24" rear bag Reply #14 - Aug 1^st, 2011 at 1:37pm	Print Post
	Well KAF, For the sake of discussion: If I'm following your line of reasoning properly, then you could probably call the bullet particles obtained from steel bullet traps "sand" as well. Wouldn't be much different than lead shot, would it? You could call lead shot the equivalent of galena sand, I suppose. After all, natural hydraulic transport of eroded materials from the parent source to a distal area provides rounding of the transported materials due to impact and abrasion along the way. I'm left wondering what your definition of "IS" is?

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