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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12371 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Wads Reply #15 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 1:49pm	Print Post
	Cut a Lyman .40 Snover mold down to where it casts a 350 grain bullet. Shot a group half the size of the last one. No wad. What good are wads anyway? I'm throwing all my wads in the garbage. And the wad punches, and the hammer. Joe.

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Wads Reply #16 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 5:46pm	Print Post
	Quote: Dont need no steeeenkeen wads! Jose. Jose...? Who is Jose? What happened to Joe? Uh-oh, has there been another web-site hacking? We don't have another Anthony Weener scandal starting up, do we? Are we going to have more pictures popping up all over the web? Don't do the therapy thing, Joe! Just don't do it!! PS: Nice shooting on that target!

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12371 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Wads Reply #17 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 6:25pm	Print Post
	Si senior BP, only the happy pills for Jose. No therapy. Jose.

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Wads Reply #18 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 10:51pm	Print Post
	Quote: I had been looking for years for sutibly felt for wads. Rod, Duro-Felt is your source ... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links); Look around on the site for other thicknesses and densities Asa, the owner, is a sweetheart. About 10 years ago, us CAS shooters asked her if she could sell smaller quantities instead of the big rolls. Bingo, done
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zrifleman Ex Member	Re: Wads Reply #19 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 12:56am	Print Post
	I second what John Boy says---Asha at Durofelt is a sweetheart to deal with. I use a variety of wool felt thickness and density for different applications. Cleaner bore, better accuracy, with dry wool felt wads in both muzzleloader and BPCR. Jose what do you mean, "you don't need no stinking wads"? Looks like you could cut that group in half with the help of wads.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12371 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Wads Reply #20 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:53am	Print Post
	I thought that target was perty good for shooting off cross stix and no wind flags. I went back to the Ron Long spitzer and shot this six shot group. No wind flags again. It's a bear to set flags where I shoot. In this rifle, wads of any kind open the groups. It's shooting plenty good enough for this ole man. A note -- Twist in this .40 is 22. I'm shooting a 1.300 length bullet. Shoots good out to 600. GH formula says I need a 16 twist. We dont need no stinkeeen wads for this gun! Jose.

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zrifleman Ex Member	Re: Wads Reply #21 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 11:29am	Print Post
	Just a thought---I found that as little as .010 push on the wad when seating the bullet will obturate the bullet nose. Try seating the wads a little deeper than bullet seating depth.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12371 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Wads Reply #22 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 2:34pm	Print Post
	Not sizing the cases. The bullet just sits on the powder. Bullet would sit on the wad. Using 50 grains Swiss 1.5. Now I'm wondering how the ammo will perform after the long trip to Butte. The loose bullets sitting on the powder column. Would have to compress the powder. Thinking maybe I should assemble the ammo after I get there. The same ammo didnt perform well at Cody a couple weeks ago. Also need all the space I can get for powder in the little case. I think the rifle will hold the 23 ring or very close if I had wind flags and I do my part. By golly that arta be good enough. Good enough for those steel critters anyway. Joe.

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Wads Reply #23 - Jun 17^th, 2011 at 7:26am	Print Post
	Joe not just the bullets sitting on top but the jiggling of the ride settles the powder also, or that is my belief. I formed the opinion when I was using my chronograph habitually. I was loading cases at home so I could shoot faster at the line. When I got to matches I noticed that my spreads were longer than at home. The longer the trip the more erratic the spread. I stopped loading at home and started loading at the range again. The spreads came back to normal. 40 Rod


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12371 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Wads Reply #24 - Jun 17^th, 2011 at 11:55am	Print Post
	Yep, gonna take all the stuff I need and assemble it at the range just like I've been doing here at home. Last year I hauled a bunch of 660 and 750 gr composite bullets with soft bases to Cody. When I got there all the bullet bases were mushroomed. Luckily I had a little bullet base trimming tool in the shooting box. I never considered the hammering things take on a long trip. Joe.

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.22-5-40 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 828 Joined: Feb 13^th, 2010	Re: Wads Reply #25 - Jun 17^th, 2011 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	Helo, I made up wad cutters out of air-hardening tool steel..in shape they are tapered, with shank..look alot like ones used with hammer..only these are ground with a razor-knife edge..wouldn,t want to bang on these..or even drop e'm! There HARD. Knock-out hole thru shank. I use in drill press with nylon backer. One thing about wads..I use them in my .40's, with black & smokeless. However in doing extensive testing in a Win. High-Wall in .38-55, either with black, or smokeless, no matter what thickness, or material, groups always opened.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12371 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Wads Reply #26 - Jun 29^th, 2011 at 12:31am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:53am: I thought that target was perty good for shooting off cross stix and no wind flags. I went back to the Ron Long spitzer and shot this six shot group. No wind flags again. It's a bear to set flags where I shoot. In this rifle, wads of any kind open the groups. It's shooting plenty good enough for this ole man. A note -- Twist in this .40 is 22. I'm shooting a 1.300 length bullet. Shoots good out to 600. GH formula says I need a 16 twist. We dont need no stinkeeen wads for this gun! Jose. Correction, the bullets are 1.5 inches long. Knocked down six rams in a stiff wind last weekend. 22 inch twist, huh? Joe.

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Wads Reply #27 - Jun 29^th, 2011 at 3:19pm	Print Post
	Joe, Your results with a 1.5" long bullet in the 22" twist 40 cal reminds me of the scientist who came out saying there was no way that Billy Dixon could ever have made his famous shot. At least, that is until they set up a test and proved the scientist wrong.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12371 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Wads Reply #28 - Jun 29^th, 2011 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	I always suspected that Greenhill guy. When I use this GH calculator it says I need a 14. something twist. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Maybe I'm not doing it right? Bullet diameter is .410, lead 11.3, length 1.5, velocity 1300. ?? Joe.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7663 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Wads Reply #29 - Jun 29^th, 2011 at 4:12pm	Print Post
	I ran two known stable bullets and twists in that calulator. Both were with RL spitzers. 30 cal 1.165 long 187 gr, 14 twist. It says I need 10.9 32 cal 1.165 long 208 gr, 15 twist. It says I need 11.8 for that one. I like the Don Miller calulator better. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) And it agrees with my barrels and bullets. Frank

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