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MVA A5???
May 31st, 2011 at 11:58am
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Anyone heard when the new scope will be available? Is there any posted information/photos out?

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Reply #1 - May 31st, 2011 at 12:17pm
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Shooting with mine this afternoon, do a search. lots of post from Members.

It's a nice scope

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Reply #2 - May 31st, 2011 at 12:35pm
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Might be the way I searched but can't find the old MVA B 5 post, here is some brief info. Mine was one of the first built was on order for over a year, have been using it few months now. 

Campbell's Winchester Single shot books have extensive drawings and details on the A5 scopes. MVA's is exactly like the originals. 

One thing to consider is the A5-B5 scopes are considerably older in design than Unertl's and Lyman's.  Interesting to compare it to them. Not as sophisticated but still very good small light scopes. I think it perfectly approprate for The  .22 Low Wall I am setting up. Sticking with the 20x Lyman STS for my 14 # Schuetzen and Unertl 12 x for my 38/55 Match rifle.

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Reply #3 - May 31st, 2011 at 4:32pm
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I am sending mine to the guy who has the master parts for the A and B5. He is going to check them against the the MVA for an article that we are writing.
The only difference that I see is that the scope benefits from modern glass and coatings. I never looked through an original that clear and bright.

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Reply #4 - May 31st, 2011 at 5:00pm
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Agree with 40 Rod never saw an original that clear.  Of course original A5's are pretty old and I have never seen one in perfect condition. My guess is MVA's are built to a higher standard than original

One thing I posted when receiving mine was the scope blocks were a slightly different size than Unertl style. Turns out they are the same. My Unertl blocks had a small burr from miss mounting a posa mount scope on the regular blocks.  Old Unertl slipped right on the MVA would not. Other day I took the blocks off and miked them.  MVA is exactly the same size as the Rifles normal Steve Earl Blocks. Cleaned off the burr and the MVA slides right on the Unertl mount

They are a bit different configuration though.  New blocks like Steve Earles are Posa one side Cupped the other. MVA's are Cupped one side and indented on the other to receive the B5's unique screw.  It's left side of the scope while a Unertl/Lyman scope screws down on the right side.

So if this makes sense you could switch off regular Cup screw fixture scopes with the Pin fixture MVA B5 but could not switch a Posa mount scope with the Pin fixture MVA. Not many Posa's out there BV's are the only ones I know of for sure.  My guess is you could order the blocks to suit Pin and Posa if need be.

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Reply #5 - May 31st, 2011 at 6:59pm
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Boats,

Unertl Posa mounts were available across the product line, I have them on a 6x small game scope.  They were developed when the standard mounts proved to be not quite up to the recoil of things like long range target rifles in magnum calibers.  Since they both squeeze the ring frame together and have the screw fitting into the half moon shaped shoulder on the block they are considerably stronger than the older style.  If you don't have a recoil issue, or are not paranoid, they are not needed.  The Redfield Big Bore bases and rings for their long tube scope are essentially the same thing.
  
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Reply #6 - May 31st, 2011 at 8:17pm
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I have been shooting mine on a Ballard 3F and a #8 Union Hill. It compares well with my Unertl 6X small game. I agree that the scope is extremely clear and bright. I spoke with Lars last week, the type 2 rear mount will not be available until at least mid summer. I anticipate that they will be great for the 22 long rang matches. I would not hesitate to purchase one if that is what you are looking for.

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Reply #7 - May 31st, 2011 at 8:28pm
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A local friend is wanting one of these new A5 scopes, what is is price.  ledball
  
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Reply #8 - May 31st, 2011 at 8:54pm
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Good Info on the Posa's only Posa I ever owned was on a BV 20x which fits your description of suitable for heavy recoil.  

Leadball from Memory the B 5  is 550 bucks.  You see old ones that are of questionable conditon go for that much on the auction sites.

While we are going over the B5 details main thing I see different from a Unertl Small game is the adjustment.  No clicks which I don't think are much of an advantage in offhand matches with fairly long time strings of fire and same distance like Schuetzen. No problem to put the rifle down and adjust by eye.   However the knob is graduated on top but no micrometer on the barrel.  Wonder what the Type 2 rear mount is ? Vernier like MVA's other scopes ?

I plan to shoot some NRA rules modern rifle Silhouette with mine and will have to go all the way down and count the  full turns up to get zero numbers as you change banks of animals.  One more chance for error. Of course a Low Wall  5x scoped is giving up a lot to Anschutz bolt guns with 24 x Leopold's anyway.

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Original NIB A5...
Reply #9 - May 31st, 2011 at 9:02pm
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Sorry...just had to dig this out...Had it for years...Might break down and mount it on a 1903 NRA Sporter I have (soon as I get bases on it..)...

enjoy..

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Reply #10 - May 31st, 2011 at 9:37pm
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FWIW,  John Merz had a test copy at EG this last weekend.  I was most impressed with it,  as clean clear and crisp as any scope I've looked through.   I was also impressed with the $$$ they are asking for it.

  I recently acquired a nice Roller#2 with a heavy 22rf barrel that it would look perfect on,  but the price is out of my league, especially  for a small 5x scope with historically correct but really basic mounts and adjustments.  The only scopes I've paid that much for were my Mitchell (quite a bit more) and a nice bumped up old Unertl (just a little bit more)
  

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Reply #11 - Jun 1st, 2011 at 5:17am
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DWS I remember scope prices that were "reasonable" too. Unertl I use the most cost me 275 brand new, a long time ago.

However today under 500 dollars gets made in China with a well known brand name applied.  New Leopold targets are all over 750 dollars, and they have the benefit of large scale production. Small shop turning out limited runs of something few specialist shooters are interested in, 550 is probably a bargain.

218 thats nice real nice, never saw one in that conditon.  Assume it's a Lyman not a Winchester. How about those adjustments are they the type 2 ?  Do they click and is the barrel marked like a Lyman STS.  

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Reply #12 - Jun 1st, 2011 at 8:25am
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Boats when MVA sent me the scope for testing I asked them to send blocks because I wasn't sure if I had blocks that fit. When the scope came I tried it on my CPA .22 that is fit with a set of Steve Earl's Winchester blocks they are cut for Winchester on 1 side and have a cup on the other. The scope fit perfectly. In fact I can't tell the difference between the blocks provided and the ones that were already mounted. I strongly suspect that MVA contracted Steve for a run of the blocks. Why re-invent the wheel?
By the way I was so impressed with the scope I am buying the one that MVA sent me for testing.

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Reply #13 - Jun 1st, 2011 at 9:09am
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Boats...The scope pictured above in the box is a Winchester A5...Original box in good shape, but outside paper labels are long gone..It has been mounted before (not by me) so I can't rightfully call it NIB...its a strong %98-99 though..

Have to check on the mounts..can't recall which type...Got this years ago and couldn't bring myself to ever use it...or sell it..
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 1st, 2011 at 9:24am
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Thanks 218

Bet that scope would bring top dollar on fleabay. Rough ones are well over 500

I need to buy the Nick Strobel Scope book. Not being a collector have never picked one up. It would be a good way to sort out the various A&B Winchester-Lymans. I know the Weavers Lymans and Unertl's from owning and using them. This is my first B5

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