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Reply #45 - May 11th, 2011 at 11:35pm
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Huh?  

Did you know you can enter matches with single shot rifles using jacketed bullets?  You can also enter your single shot rifle using gas checks? You are allowed to do those things if you want to.  There are so many different types of shooting and shooting organizations out there, why would you need to change rules in the ASSRA?  I dont understand that.  Queersome! Mighty queersome!     Undecided  

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Reply #46 - May 11th, 2011 at 11:46pm
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KWK wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 11:02pm:
That's the idea behind these posts.  Wink


This is looking more and more like a hostile takeover of the ASSRA rulebook.    

Ya gotta wonder at the motivation, when there's adequate venues for bolt rifles to compete elsewhere.      
 

  

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Reply #47 - May 11th, 2011 at 11:49pm
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I never said anything about changing the rules, I only mentioned what the old timers used to be able to do in the old days, and I'm very thankful that we are allowed to use modern scopes made in japan with internal adjustments   Grin
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Reply #48 - May 11th, 2011 at 11:50pm
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It was interesting for a while.  Too bad.   Sad 

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Reply #49 - May 11th, 2011 at 11:52pm
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I never said anything about changing the rules, I only mentioned what the old timers used to be able to do in the old days, and I'm very thankful that we are allowed to use modern scopes made in japan with internal adjustments   Grin
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You are not the only poster on this thread OSC.  Wink

Everyone knows what you meant.  



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Reply #50 - May 12th, 2011 at 12:14am
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You mean, you mean, there's other guys here reading what were writing about, oh my God, I didn't know that    Shocked

Well anyway, some guys seem to think there are a lot of other shooting organizations out there other than ASSRA,  so where would one go if they were looking to shoot an old Win. H W with bullets that had jackets on them against other traditional single shot rifles such as falling blocks,  rolling blocks etc. with modern bullets ?.

Most everyone knows that it's not allowed under ASSRA rules. So what other organizations is there that shoots traditional single shot rifles such as falling blocks rolling blocks etc. with modern bullets ?.
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Reply #51 - May 12th, 2011 at 12:32am
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uscra112 wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 11:46pm:
This is looking more and more like a hostile takeover of the ASSRA rulebook.


The only hostility I detect is towards turn bolts? 

An old single shot target rifle remains one no matter the action. Is that hostile?
  

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Reply #52 - May 12th, 2011 at 12:38am
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Is that another trick question? Lol!!   Grin


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Reply #53 - May 12th, 2011 at 6:08am
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Hi USCRA112,
on my 1936 350 cc Velocette Mac and 250 BSA C15 race bikes this plain bearing was the achilles heel so both crankcases were machined to accept a roller bearing along with an altered oil feed. 
A very expensive hobby racing. Nearly as bad as having a boat. A big black hole which you throw money into.
Regards, Roly.
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Reply #54 - May 12th, 2011 at 8:14am
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To answer the question the Match Rules for the first ASSRA match state no bolt-action rifles. There was a match offered for gas checked bullets, however none of the original match participants entered it and at the first shooters meeting it was agreed that all shooting would be plain-based bullets only. At the end of the next year a constitution was written that included both the No bolt-action rule and the plain-based bullet rule. If you dig around in history deep enough you can find a president for anything, but, the constitution of the ASSRA has never allowed these two things. 
If someone wants to shoot bolt guns with cast bullets that's what the Cast Bullet Association is for. If someone wants to shoot jacketed bullets in competition with another type of action I am aware of no rule in either bench-rest organisations that prevent you from competing.
We have existed for more than 60 years that's longer than the golden age and the revival in the 30s put together. The board wrestles with new technology that the founders did not envision all the time. They try to use the guidelines of the founders and apply them to the present. Allowing bolts and jacketed bullets would be the equivalent of the US Supreme Court striking down the 2nd amendment. 

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Reply #55 - May 12th, 2011 at 10:22am
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The simplest solution I see is if someone wants to shoot SS turnbolts in competition, start your own organization for that purpose. Then you can make whatever rules you want. As pointed out ASSRA has survived this long by everybody knowing what the rules are and abiding by them. And enjoying every minute of it. There's other groups out there who's rules mandate not only single shots, but ONLY single shots with exposed hammers. So, are they discriminating against us. No. It's just the way they do things. More power to them. I like the way things are here.  40_rod, you and the board have my support. Nuff said.

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Reply #56 - May 12th, 2011 at 1:51pm
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Is that another trick question?

Hmmm, I must ponder that...

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Allowing bolts and jacketed bullets would be the equivalent of the US Supreme Court striking down the 2nd amendment.

An overwrought non sequitur that is.

(Actually, I feel the lead bullet rule makes some sense.)

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At the end of the next year a constitution was written that included both the No bolt-action rule and the plain-based bullet rule.

Fair enough. 

It remains, though, quite ironic that in trying to recreate the Golden Era of target shooting, the ASSRA founders managed to ban part of that tradition! 

Perhaps the founders were simply ignorant of the heritage. Perhaps they sought to exclude the demon that had vanquished their beloved singles; if so, they must have been ignorant of the fact their beloved singles had once before vanquished the turn bolt in its single shot form--rather amusing, no?

For the record, I own no bolt guns and likely never will. Grin Now and then, I do enjoy rattling the cages at the funny farm.
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Reply #57 - May 12th, 2011 at 2:02pm
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blindeye quote.
Free beer and barbecue after the shoots? Strippers? Count me in!!!




Free beer during the matches. Dancin girls at ceasefires.   
Percussion rifles okay to use.   

Those are the only changes I could live with.   I'm in!!!

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Reply #58 - May 12th, 2011 at 2:35pm
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The strippers will be the target changers.  Sorry, iron sights only, no 'scopes allowed.  

Beer is part of the Schuetzen tradition, as I understand it, so that's part of The Plan.
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Reply #59 - May 12th, 2011 at 11:20pm
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KWK wrote on May 12th, 2011 at 1:51pm:


For the record, I own no bolt guns and likely never will. Grin Now and then, I do enjoy rattling the cages at the funny farm.


We've got quite enough nihilism in the national political arena, especially with the present Administration, thank you very much.   Let us have some peace and quiet here.   

  

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