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Long gun registry in canada is done
May 3rd, 2011 at 11:28am
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Good news for Canada!!!
The conservatives won a majority government last night here in Canada and the leader this morning on TV said he promised law abiding Canadians he would end the long gun registry if he got a majority, and he will as soon as possible. 
It should make buying unrestricted firearms much easier again and have no paper trails. 
Good news for Canadians and maybe a little will rub off on our good neighbors south of the boarder.... Finally gun owners got a break.
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Reply #1 - May 3rd, 2011 at 11:43am
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Congrats.  We need all the help, prayer, mojo, etc we can get down here.
  
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Reply #2 - May 3rd, 2011 at 11:46am
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Things are good again.

Besides I was wondering how you would ever register that new barrel you are going to reveal at Tommy's. 

I am sure it is definitely not in their registration catalogue.
An item never seen before.
  
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Reply #3 - May 3rd, 2011 at 1:32pm
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Unfortunately you will still will need to have a license, subject to renewal and refusal every 5 years, to own any type of firearm manufactured after 1897 and quite a few manufactured before 1897. There are some long guns that will still need to be registered, only what are termed UNRESTRICTED FIREARMS will not need to be registered. You will still need to inform the federal government within 30 days if you move. You must still allow the police entry into your dwelling to inspect your firearms storage and assist the police the police every way possible while they search your dwelling anywhere they think there might be a firearm or record of a firearm, etc.

It is however, a small step in the right direction.

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Reply #4 - May 3rd, 2011 at 1:52pm
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Bradford, your post paints an ugly picture, something right out of a cheap WWII movie.  Sometimes I pull my head out of the sand and I am shocked at how far we have slid.
  
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Reply #5 - May 3rd, 2011 at 3:11pm
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Well requiring a licence to own firearms hasnt really been a item of contention, in fact most gun owners agree, that it at least appeases "the die hard gun haters". 
And the firearms that require registration are arms that  are mostly ones that can be used as full automatic and a few that are easily converted. Plus hand guns that have required registration since approximately 1956 and there isn't must resistance to that by most, other then a small group of what are know as fundamentalists. As far a safe storage is concerned the requirement in the new form is storage "when there is a absence of of a licensed person present". Which means when your not home they must be stored safely as required and most can live with that as well, so we here are very happy. 
And being truthful the group know as "fundamentalists" kinda scare us ol single shot guys ....
Ive seen some of these guys at ranges and I think many of them could use a few years of active work in the army, then most would loss that need for burning up ammo.
Just my thoughts of course.
As it is things are good again, matter of fact times are great for Canadians  who want to hunt and shoot regular guns without a paper trail and someone knowing what we own as far as guns are concerned.
So in closing I guess we can paint this in many colors but right now we are 1000 times better off then 24 hours ago.
Even though the system has cost us $3.22 Billion the last 17 years.
I got many of my registrations out and might light a fire with them soon. 
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Reply #6 - May 3rd, 2011 at 3:34pm
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Tom:

Don't burn those registration certificates You have so many you may start a wildfire; so you need a fire permit until October 31 st.

If you do burn them early, let us know and we can call in the water bombers.

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Reply #7 - May 3rd, 2011 at 3:50pm
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OK instead I''l wipe "me arse" with them and send them to the bleeding hearts who lost the election.
I was so happy last night I had a couple of shots from the bottle of scotch that sits on the top shelf...
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Reply #8 - May 4th, 2011 at 7:34am
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Tom; That sounds very good, I have been wanting to relocate when I retire and was at one time looking up that way because I love to hunt and want to be somewhere with a lot of hunting land, but really didn't like the gun laws y'all have. I am happy that things may be turning around for y'all.

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Reply #9 - May 4th, 2011 at 12:31pm
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Matt, look at the tax consequences of such a move.  You will be subject to US tax for ten years.  Although there are tax treaties Canada does not apply them to all situations thus you could be double taxed.  If you have done estate planning in the US and formed a trust, under Canadian law (actually the proposed law but you are required to live by it even though it has not been formally adopted and is revised with each reading) that trust is considered an offshore trust and subject to strict Canadian tax filing rules even if you created it 20 years before your change of residency.  I have a family member who impulsively changed his residency and three years later moved back solely due to the tax nightmare.  His US resident children would have been subjected to Canadian taxes just because they were beneficiaries of a trust he set up 20 years before.
  
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Reply #10 - May 5th, 2011 at 6:48am
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Dave; thanks I didn't know that I have been looking at some places out west but it isn't easy, a retired SC law enforcement officer doesn't get much.
  
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Reply #11 - May 5th, 2011 at 3:15pm
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Singleshotom,

Nice to have a spokesman for most gun owners and to realize they stand behind appeasing "the die hard gun haters". The die hard gun haters I've come across will not rest until there is no civilian ownership of any type of firearm.

The only change being contemplated in the Firearm Act, is to remove the requirement to register Non-Restricted Firearms. I assume that you are aware that any government in power can,  on whim  {Order in Council} , change the classification of any Non-Restricted Firearm to that of Restricted or Prohibited.

Handguns have been regulated in Canada way before 1956, with no reduction in criminal misuse. I am curious what you are referring to regarding "the new form" detailing the Regulations For The Storage of Firearms. 

The term  "easily converted" regarding converting a semi-auto to full auto is undefined in law and means something quite different to a RCMP Weapons Technician than it does to you or me.  I remember an article about, I think an Model 1873 Winchester rifle converted to automatic fire.

I see that you are are kinda scared of " a small group of what are known as fundamentalists". Are these Muslims, Christians, or possibly just people that like firearms that are not particularly your cup of tea?

I consider myself an "ol single shot guy" I own very few post 1897 firearms and no semi or fully automatic  rifles, but I fail to see how registering any of them would prevent or even reduce criminal misuse.

I would reserve my satisfaction with the Firearms Act and the burning of your registration certificates,until such time that actual positive changes are made to it. Political parties of all types have been known to ignore, or even to do the opposite of what was promised on the campaign trail.

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Reply #12 - May 5th, 2011 at 3:16pm
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Singleshotom,


Enjoy shooting and hunting with your "regular guns". But pray that in a fit of forgetfulness, you don"t for to forget to renew your license. Because owning firearms in Canada is a crime {unless you have in your possession a license issued by the government to commit that crime}  , The instant your firearms license expires, all your registration certificates are revoked and the RCMP will confiscate all your firearms, including those "regular guns" that may, at some future date, not require registration. 

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Re: Long gun registry in canada is done
Reply #13 - May 5th, 2011 at 4:08pm
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Well I'm not going to get in a debate as to whats good or whats not so good, all I'm going to say I have been involved in working with a couple of groups to rid us of the long gun registry here in Canada.
And as far as restricted weapons are concerned I own many of them and I have no problem with going through the steps involved in using them as I have for the last 40 + yrs when I traveled in Canada and the USA competing in that discipline of the shooting sport. So to me there is no change in the time Ive been in the restricted shooting sports.
What has been a huge change here in Canada is the long gun registry and licensing of gun owners which the majority of gun owners seem to accept. The long gun registry has been a $ eating useless exercise. And we have tried to kill it for the last dozen years and due to the political picture it was impossible and now its going to die, so we have finally killed it with this last election.
As I see it we are "far better off then many in other places, 
We can buy a gun anywhere in Canada and have it sent to our home via mail, we don't require a waiting period, we don't require a dealer involved, we can go to another province and buy a gun and take it home right from there.
Legally you cant in the USA. So requiring a license to own and buy guns to me is actually quite simple, no different then having a license to drive. I can live with that and most gun owners are the same.
As far as "prohibitive arms are concerns we have been working on the people involved to possible relax some the definitions but in many cases it isn't going to happen. 
I live in a province with the highest number of arms per person and I haven't heard of anyone having theirs arms removed due to lapsing of a license to own.  Unless they have been involved in some sort of illegal activity which lead to an inspection of his property.
  All over the world it gets worse for gun owners and as that is happening we have taken a step in the other direction. GREAT NEWS
  
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