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Stevens Ideal 044 1/2 English model .22LR
Apr 20th, 2011 at 9:50pm
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I need help trying to confirm if my rifle is the 044 1/2 English model. (pictures below)
 On the face of the reciever there's a 0 on each side of 44 1/2. Now I'm pretty much convinced that the first 0 is associated with the 44 1/2 making it 044 1/2.
 The 1907 Stevens catalog states that the English model will only be made with #1 barrel. No exceptions. Mine has a #2 barrel, so I was thinking it was a standard 44 1/2 with optional shotgun butstock and stag head butplate. But the 24" barrel is pretty tapered to a small muzzle. about .612". And it's the original barrel. I'm guessing this is an earlier year model when they may have called this size a #2 barrel.

   The frame width varies from .985-.995".
   All 5 ser.#'s match and is four digit #2xxx
    1. Barrel
    2. Trigger tang
    3. Inside (bottom) of upper tang
    4. Stock
    5. Forend

The 1907 catalog is the only one I have access to and there's a couple of differences to my rifle and thier description of the 044 1/2 English model.
  1. They show a L.O.P. of 13 1/2" and mine is about 12 1/2" and has not been altered from original.
  2.The #2 barrel.  ?
 
  Also my original rear sight has a slight difference from a close up picture of a rear sight I saw in this catalog.
  Mine has a fine tuning elevation adjustment where you can loosen a tiny screw and slide the center up and down where the notch is. Their picture of the rear sight didn't have that. Otherwise the sight looks the same.

 If some of you have other year catalogs and can help me confirm if this is an English model, and also determine what year it may have been made (based on these differences) I would really appreciate your help.

       -Scott.

   

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Re: Stevens Ideal 044 1/2 English model .22LR
Reply #1 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 10:59pm
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Unscrew the barrel and check thread size, it's easily done.regular 44-1/2 has a 7/8" Barrel thread, Englis.h model is 3/4".That's in one of james Grants Books.Also the breechblock is not as wide.I once owned a 404 44-1'2, but sold it to buy a milling machine.
  
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Re: Stevens Ideal 044 1/2 English model .22LR
Reply #2 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 11:15pm
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The frame width varies from .985-.995".


Scott, 
The ~1.000" frame width is correct for the 044 1/2 (as well as for the 56 Ladies model). The factory Stevens 44 1/2 is about 1.125" wide across the frame, with some reproductions being even wider to allow for a larger than factory barrel shank. 

As j pickup says, the breech block is narrower than the 44 1/2, and so is the lever where it fits into the 044 1/2 frame.

It's possible that the shorter length of pull was due to a special order rifle for a youngster, as the 044 1/2 English model had a lighter overall weight like the 56, and would have been a nice step up above a Favorite for an older youth.   

The barrel was sometimes referred to as a rapid taper. You didn't provide the barrel dimensions (across the flats, dia of round at the transition, and dia of round at the muzzle), but if you will do so, I'll compare them with my 25-25 barrel as soon as I can dig it out of the hole. 

On the rear sight, I have better luck identifying them from a top-down view, so I'm just not sure about yours. 

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Re: Stevens Ideal 044 1/2 English model .22LR
Reply #3 - Apr 21st, 2011 at 12:03am
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BP, Here's a top veiw picture of the rear sight.
 
Barrel threads are 3/4"
lever is 1/2"
Barrel is .845" accross flats
Round taper is .805 to .612 at the muzzle (24") This is a .22LR

-Scott.

P.S. As I stated in the original post, it's the 1" frame.

P.S. Oh yeah, mine has the ejector too. I don't know what year they started that.
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Reply #4 - Apr 21st, 2011 at 12:34pm
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Since it has the ejector, maybe it's a later production than I thought. The 1907 catalog doesn't show them with ejector yet.

Because of the low ser.#, this series of numbers must have been for 044 1/2 only.

-Scott.
  
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Re: Stevens Ideal 044 1/2 English model .22LR
Reply #5 - Apr 21st, 2011 at 12:41pm
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I believe all the 044 1/2s in 22 RF have the ejector as standard. A friend has an 044 1/2 in 22 RF with the rifle butt plate, other than that it's a std. English model
  
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Re: Stevens Ideal 044 1/2 English model .22LR
Reply #6 - Apr 21st, 2011 at 4:24pm
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Scott,

My 26" centerfire #2 weight barrel measures 0.855" across the flats, 0.800" dia at the transition tapering to 0.600" dia at the muzzle. Shank dia is 0.750". This barrel did come off an 044 1/2 English model. 

Your rear sight looks correct but may have started out as a cloverleaf and may have been filed down to give it a more flat top profile. 

Something else to compare: the extractor width for the 44 1/2 is ~0.240", while the 044 1/2 (and 56) extractor width is ~0.200".

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