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Apr 9th, 2011 at 8:06pm
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I am tired of the miss fires im getting from the new Remington subsonic and target. My 12/15 realy liked the old Remington target, so did my MK1 Ruger and my 1906 savage pump. I do not want to use HV on cans in these older guns. Can any one sugest a comparable substitute? What 22 RF are you killing cans with? I dont want to be eaten by a can because of a misfire.
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Re: subsonic 22 rf for plinking
Reply #1 - Apr 9th, 2011 at 10:09pm
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Your 12/15 and your Mk I Ruger won't have any heartburn with high velocity loads...your 1906 Savage, on the other hand, was not made for them.  If you're worried about attack-cans, get a big Martini and convert it to rimfire with a barrel liner so that you can still use the bayonet!   Wink

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Reply #2 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 12:33am
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David Neither my 12/15 or ruger like the HV. Back in the days of standard velocity remington the martini would hold one hole groups at 50yds and the ruger one hole at 25. Now they get eley target on special ocasions. The Ruger shoots so good i want to remain gentle with it. I keep the model 12 in reach to discourage agressive cans. 
I want to lay in a lifetime supply of plinking amo when i find something that works. The Ruger,my new to me Beretta 71 and the 1906 savage all have 9 round magazines 9 to 1 each against the martini. That represents a lot of 22s out the garage door. TRIGGER TIME.
The martini for off hand practice. and the Beretta for SD. Ruger is strictly a target gun. Savage is old and eat up. I still shoot it better offhand than the Martini.
The rimfires have recently moved the centerfires to the back of the gun room.
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Re: subsonic 22 rf for plinking
Reply #3 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 1:19am
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Know what you mean about rimfires taking precedence at times to the big bores.  My wife lets me shoot her AG Parker converted big Martini CMT-22 when I ask nicely, otherwise it's one of my small actions, a 12 or 12/15. 

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Reply #4 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 8:56am
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Am match director Small bore Silhouette at our club. I see all sorts of ammo. Have come to the conclusion that some stuff has become so cheap it just won't work.  New shooters show up all the time with whatever they bought at wall mart with all sorts of problems. 

Many shooters always carry a small screwdriver to the firing line to pick out stuck cases. Lever Action Match yesterday Fellow was using Remington Standard. one round had a rim let go and blew out of the side of his Marlin 39A, guy next to him felt the blow. We looked at the case after total rim failure. You hear blooper loads all the time. Silhouette allows alibi's for misfires if the rim is stuck. I am only allowing shooters one alibi per match. Not popular but we were being held up for alibi strings every relay.

For Cheap I tried Eley Sport, Badged Eley it's actualy Aqula made in Mexico. About 30 dollars a brick and is 95 % reliable, other 5 % misfires.  When it's used up won't buy it again. Matches and serious practice am spending 10 dollars a box for RWS or Eley.

No way around it.

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Re: subsonic 22 rf for plinking
Reply #5 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 9:56am
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Check Midway and see if they still have Winchester T22's in stock. They were on backorder for over a year and I just got 4 bricks about a month ago.  No misfires in my highwall after about 6 boxes.  I know what you mean about the Remingtons.  Every now and then, I would get one that didn't sound like the rest of them.  Bob
  
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Re: subsonic 22 rf for plinking
Reply #6 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 9:56am
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It would be interesting to weigh some empty cases.  My bet is the manufacturers are skimping on metal given that copper is ~$4.50 per pound but maybe SAMMI rules win.  That would explain blown cases but not misfires.  Boats, any other brands that seem to work OK?

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Reply #7 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 11:10am
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Missfires and bloppers are the most common thing that goes wrong. You don't see many blown cases thank goodness. Wear your shooting glasses.

Guys that shoot our matches seem to like Winchester Super X high speed. I just bought a brick of it to use in a Colt Goverment model .22 conversion kit my son has been shooting.  Intended to replace the Eley Sport. It needs some kick to cycle.  Will report later.   

However last few matches I shot used some  20 plus year old RWS Pistol Match. Pawn shop that I bought that 7 brick lot of RWS R 50 from last fall came up with 6 bricks of the Pistol ammo.  R50 and Pistol either one is doing well.  Some of the best groups I have ever shot in several rifles, Gave a few boxes away and same thing good reports from all. Got a steal on both lots and am now fully stocked with match ammo.   

Using Pistol Match placed 2nd in the Rimfire lever Silhouette match yesterday.  If I had not screwed up the Chicken bank could have been my best score to date that match.  Rams fall ever so slow, but hit 10 and they all went over. It prints about 1 moa lower than RWS R 50 same rifle and range.

Buying old ammo has it's pitfalls though.  I also bought a large lot of Eley Silhouex from the same guy.   Wax had dried out and is hard to chamber.  Ended up putting 250 at a time in the vibrating case tumbler. Take them out and into a plastic peanut butter jar, spray some balistol and roll it around.  Guys that are particular about there rimfire ammo think this is terrible but it's shooting good no misfires and ran 100 through the CPA other day. Wiped clean with a few patches no leading at all.  It's certantly better than anything Wal Mart has.  Not going to shoot any matches with it. Probably all 50 feet indoors or the S&W M 34 Kit Gun

That Florida pawn shop likes me now. 3 trips 21 bricks of ammo bought from him. Sold about half the RWS off to other shooters. So far no takers on the Eley that needs to be tumbled

Anybody intrested ?

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Reply #8 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 12:22pm
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I have a brick of tenx for when i get serious with the martini. My target martini is a very good MKll. 
For some reason the higher velocity the better with the colt conversion it keeps the floating chamber clean. mine realy likes the stingers..
Local dealer claims the subsonic cci is a good choice. Ill give him a try.
I'm through with remington.  I will stick with one brand to keep the lube constant. I only clean when acuracy changes. 
I also have a favorite and a #4 RB that I shoot with subsonic ocasionaly.
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Reply #9 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 2:36pm
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I've had very good experiences with CCI standard velocity, both in terms of reliability and of accuracy.  Around here (southeastern PA) it goes for 23-25/brick.   

The guys I shoot with have given up completely on Remington.  We've had individual boxes that had as many as 5 failures to fire.  When you look at the "failed to fire" can on the range, almost all of the failed cartridges are Remingtons.
  
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Reply #10 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 3:49pm
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Has anybody out there tried any of the "Wolf Match Extra"? A few old friends of mine recommended it to me as an inexpensive way of practice with match quality performance. I got a few boxes and ran them through my Meyers-Coune. In this rifle it matched or exceeded everything but Eley Tenex. This is what I was told to expect and I wasn't disapointed. How say you guys?

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Reply #11 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 4:05pm
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In a couple of my rifles I've had a bit better performance out of the Match Target over the Match Extra...go figure!

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Reply #12 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 4:33pm
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When the Wolf rimfire ammo first came on the market (almost 10 years ago), I tried it out and found it to be FANTASTIC stuff for the price..
At the time, it was about 1/3 the cost of Eley Match.
This was for Smallbore Prone.  We did find that the Wolf Match Target (the lower end stuff) had "one nine in every box", but the Match Extra didn't seem to suffer that malady. 

We learned more about the stuff from the headstamp... Apparenlty, the Wolf Match Target and Match Extra are made by SK Jagd, which is owned by Lapua.  The brass is made by Lapua, and it's loaded by SK Jagd.  The SK Rifle Match is supposed to be the same as Match Extra. Different boxes, but same ammo.  Some comes out of the factory labeled "SK Jagd Rifle Match" and some comes out in the black Wolf Match Extra boxes. 

In the past few years, the price advantage seems to have gone away... at least partly.  Where it was 1/3 to 1/2 the price of some other ammo's in the same performance range, it's now caught up, and no longer the bargain it was.
Still shoots good though.

You can also check out some of the SK Jagd ammo's available ( Champion Shooters Supply carries it, I'm sure other places to also). 

I was lucky enough to shoot one season with a REALLY good lot of Match Extra (probably 2003? Maybe 2004?).  I still haven't beaten a couple of the scores I shot with that lot.   
 
Had I only known "back then" what rimfire ammo prices would do in the following decade, I'd have bought 20 cases of Wolf Match Extra.  Sad
My days of being able afford ammo that will let me perform really well in smallbore prone appear to be over.   

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Re: subsonic 22 rf for plinking
Reply #13 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 5:03pm
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I'll second the CCI Standard Velocity for plinking ammo in older guns not designed for the HV stuff. Misfires are very few and accuracy is generally good as well. It is not match ammo but it works fine for plinking and can killing. The old stuff from many years ago with the green label was great stuff, so great that they now call it Green Tag and get a premium for it.

Winchester T22 used to be good when you could find it. It seems to be very scarce lately. A friend of mine used to shoot smallbore silhouette and would put his high priced ammo in Winchester T22 boxes so others wouldn't know what he was shooting. The Mexican stuff whether it is marked Eley, Fiocchi, or Aquila generally goes off OK but the report varies greatly as does the accuracy when one doesn't sound right. I've killed a lot of cans with it though.
  
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Re: subsonic 22 rf for plinking
Reply #14 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 9:20pm
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When I shot Bullseye Match I got tired of alibi rounds caused by Rem ammo. Seemed like I giot 1 or 2 misfires or duds in every box of Rem ammo. 
Some of the guys were using Federal Target, so I tried that with very good success, and reliability. CCI match or CCI std. velocity were both very good and consistent. 
I've always felt reliable ammo was most important in match shooting, as having misfires, failures to feed, etc. would screw up my mental game worse than ammo that doesn't group quite as good.
  

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