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Interesting Favorite on Gunbroker
Apr 7th, 2011 at 9:15am
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Re: Interesting Favorite on Gunbroker
Reply #1 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 4:51pm
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Notice how gracefully the forearm flows into the action Huh? Why are Europeans so facinated with full length fore ends? Nice German engraving though. Carving looks well done, but checkering would have looked better. A short Stevens style (44 or 44 1/2) forearm with checkering would have looked much better,IMHO. And, what's the seam in the upper tang?          ...MIKE...
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 5:56pm
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   Hello J.C. Hannum ;

    Thanks for posting the series of photos; now I can rest assured that I have seen the most decorative 1915 J. Stevens "Favorite" rifle in existence.

   I would have to say the trigger spur is a bit over done for my taste !  No, I better say the whole concept exceeds my taste, not that my stable of Favorites are bland, but all are factory arrangements.

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Reply #3 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 6:04pm
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    Oh yeah !  The seam on the upper tang !  Mike, I had to go back for a second look, since I missed it initially,

   Do you think maybe the Smith cut the tang for some reason (like to make it shorter would be my guess, daah) and later thought better of what he had done ?

  He probably "V-ed" the underside and ran a bead of weld to reattach it.

  Any other opinions on the upper tang seam ?

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Reply #4 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 10:20pm
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Is it a seam or a step? 

It looks like the rear portion of the upper tang was cut down, forming a step or ledge for a tang sight base that could be snuggly mounted with a single front tang screw only... the step preventing a special tang sight base from twisting left or right. I don't see a normal Stevens tang sight rear screw hole with filler screw present on this particular tang. 

  

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Reply #5 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 6:46am
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    BP, your posting is more likely what has happened to the upper tang and would be in keeping with the high degree of craftsmanship that is seen over the whole of the project.

    The Smith or Smiths who accomplished this fine work was/were obviously very talented individual/s, and had they been replacing a sawed off tang, they would have eliminated what at first appears to be a space/seam left between the two pieces of metal.

    I'm going with the "step to accommodate a one hole tang sight base" theory.    Undecided      Undecided

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Reply #6 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 8:37am
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Given the color of that tang am guessing it is a spring latch. Depress and pull the butt right off. Bottom tang screw replaced with a pin fitting a steel insert, maybe 2 pins.
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Reply #7 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:00am
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The saying about a $10.00 horse with a $100.00 saddle comes to mind.

I doubt that the top tang is anything more than a broken tang that was repaired by a weld that failed, not at all uncommon with these frames. I suspect it was broken when an attempt was made to bend it, it would be interesting to see the lower tang, it is shorter than usual. These tangs don't like to be bent. 

While the engraving and barrel work appear good, the unsightly hammer extension welding is not up to the quality of the rest of the work. The color difference is from the difference in the materials used, the Stevens frames often turn plum when hot blued.

  

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Reply #8 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 8:27pm
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It looks as if the original part of the tang overlaps what appears to be an extension of the top tang rather than a welded up repair.  I could be wrong but as someone who has repaired his share of broken  tangs, that is my opinion.
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Re: Interesting Favorite on Gunbroker
Reply #9 - Apr 9th, 2011 at 11:41am
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I sriously doubt the top tang was broken and repaired. Why would they step the tang when repairing it, when a flush tang repair would have been invisible once it was engraved. The step in the tang was done purposely, and from the lack of wear to the lower portion I'd say it was covered for most of it's life. Like many old guns this one was converted to a scope at some time judging from the holes on top the receiver, so the tang sight was taken off and got spearated from the gun.
Just too nice a gun to have left anything ugly showing without a purpose. The bottom of the hammer is a bit flawed, but top appears to be on par with the rest of the build, a bit overdone.
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 9th, 2011 at 12:39pm
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I will stick with the theory that it is a weld repair that has failed and separated. I have sent the seller an e-mail asking for clarification. 

Notice that the lower tang is shorter than usual, perhaps it was also broken when attempting to bend for the pistol grip. 

Edited to add that I got a response from the seller. He is listing for a friend and has no information other than what is in the Gunbroker listing.
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Reply #11 - Apr 25th, 2011 at 10:10am
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  I absolutely hate it when I ask the Seller a perfectly logical question on Gun Broker, E-bay, or where ever; and the response is "I'm selling it for a friend and haven't an answer for you"

 That seems to be an evasion to me.  Why doesn't the listing Seller ask the question of the owner and then reply.

 Most likely the piece is the result of a house burglary in the first place and cycled through a pawn shop loan arrangement.

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Reply #12 - Apr 25th, 2011 at 3:13pm
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Been following this thread.  Had some thoughts about the rifle.  The line across the tang looks a bit to perfect to be a break.  Could be though. Only way to find out is take it apart and look.   
As for the style and look,   I love the carving and engraving. It would look perfect being held by a German camel jocky.   Try finding one of those.  Undecided

My apologies to any Germans or camel jockies I may have offended. 

Oh, I forgot the hammer. Thats just plain bizzare.   Shocked 

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Re: Interesting Favorite on Gunbroker
Reply #13 - Apr 25th, 2011 at 3:39pm
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I love the carving and engraving. It would look perfect being held by a German camel jocky.

They're called "guest workers", Joe!  When my daughter was in Bremen for a year as a high school exchange student, she was mistaken for "Persian" a number of times...her Mom's Hispanic good looks coming through!  (And yes, she shoots Schuetzen rifles!)

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Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2011 at 4:45pm
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Thats funny Dave. My daughters in Baumholder and she's half hispanic.  I'll ask her if she's been mistaken for a Persian.   Cheesy


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