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Reply #30 - May 12th, 2011 at 6:51pm
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Rich_Siegel wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 2:38pm:
40 Rod,
I wish I could heed Pope's words. I would like to take my money and business some where else.  But, Mos has my money and will not give it back!
Rich

Rich a lot of diffrence between what Pope said. And it's on the shelf or 2-3 weeks.? I think everone here are good people. And just need a honest explation of what is going on.From the horses mouth. Or one of his friends who he does talk to. JMO
  
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Reply #31 - May 12th, 2011 at 8:38pm
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What what I've read about Ol' Harry, long before any kind of phone or 'net. He would write to his customers, especially if there where problems. 

In my trade (machinist), same trade as he is doing on the molds and possibly his work, when I did work for companies, I bought the material, made the parts, payed for the processing, inspected the parts and made out a inspection sheet (with all dimensions), transported them to the buyer, who then inspected them to verify my numbers. And THEN they cut me a check at the beginning of the next month if I was lucky or 30 days AFTER, if not!!!

If I had any problems, I sure as hell told them about!

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Reply #32 - May 12th, 2011 at 8:55pm
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I had a 54 Cal Sharps mould made by Steve Brooks in March.  Three weeks from receipt of my check and the mould is top notch.  The only problem is his blocks are so big I can't have a 25 cal bullet built on the blocks.  Just too much metal to heat up.
Why can't people be more like Steve?

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Reply #33 - May 13th, 2011 at 5:27am
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Rich_Siegel wrote on May 12th, 2011 at 8:55pm:
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I had a 54 Cal Sharps mould made by Steve Brooks in March.  Three weeks from receipt of my check and the mould is top notch.  The only problem is his blocks are so big I can't have a 25 cal bullet built on the blocks.  Just too much metal to heat up.
Why can't people be more like Steve?

Rich

I don't know. I spent a lot of career in manufacturing, and we knew that it takes one day to make one day's worth of product. Lead times greater than ~ 4 weeks make no sense, particularly with the technical improvements that have reduced setup time. Lead times of 3 months are nonsense for manufactured goods of any type, unless there are extremely long process times like ageing iron machine tool castings.
The gunguys never have got it. Pope seems to have been on the edge of poverty for much of his working life ex the Stevens years, he clearly could not manage a business-even a 1 man business. He's the model for many of them.
I don't know why it is, but it is.
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Reply #34 - May 13th, 2011 at 7:25am
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I have a cure for all the troubles of having to wait for somebody to make your custom whatever:

MAKE IT YOURSELF!!!

Problem solved.
  
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Reply #35 - May 13th, 2011 at 2:37pm
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I have a cure for all the troubles of having to wait for somebody to make your custom whatever:

MAKE IT YOURSELF!!!

Problem solved.

I hope you bring your astounding problem solving skills to your work as an ASSRA board member. Wait, I think I see your results already!!
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Re: David Mos moulds
Reply #36 - May 13th, 2011 at 3:01pm
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I make almost all my own stuff for shooting.  I can even make a mold. Might ruin, 0 - 4 or 5 blocks doing it.   Better for me to have a mold made. 

It's a talent that needs to be practiced regularly. The tooling is too expensive to make a few molds for myself. 

 I think we're supposed to suffer a little for the good stuff we get. If we get it.  

Getting a mold from Dave takes some suffering.   A little too much suffering I think.   You have to go into tolerance mode for the wait. Once you get the mold you can go into forgiveness mode.  I'm stuck in dont forget mode.  Not mad mode.    Smiley

Trust mode, is the real tough one. 




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Reply #37 - May 13th, 2011 at 3:56pm
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MAKE IT YOURSELF!!!

Reminds me of a conversation I overheard recently. A machinist made a set of tang sight mounting screws for a customer's Winchester, and was going to charge $5 for the screw set. 

The customer pissed and moaned that the price was too high for just two screws.

The machinist told the customer that he could go buy his own lathe and all the tooling, purchase the metal, pay the electricity to run the machinery and lights, etc, and the customer could then make his own screws for FREE!!!

The customer hemmed and hawed, then said he'd pay the $5. 

The machinist said "No you won't. You'll get the hell out of this shop and never come back." The machinist then turned to me and said "Here, have a set of free screws." 

Some folks never learn the true value of something until they're forced to do it for themselves. Others just never learn. 
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Doesn't sound like anyone knows what situation David Moss is going through just now. I wonder if shooters complained about HM Pope not delivering on orders just after the San Fran quake?


  

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Reply #38 - May 13th, 2011 at 5:08pm
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I'll bet Pope sent a few letters explaining the delay...

We live in an age where communication is so easy and available, it would flabbergast people from any earlier decade.
And yet, we fail miserably to use it.

I don't know Mr Mos, and I've never done business with him.
Maybe he has all variety of hardship in his life preventing him from fulfilling his earlier schedules and deliveries... I can respect that.
I find it a little more difficult when any vendor or maker or gunsmith fails to communicate honestly over a period of many months to keep me advised of delays.

I've waited two and a half years for a barrel to be put on a rifle, and done so without complaint... because the 'smith bothered to keep me updated, and he was honest with me about what was taking so long.

I just want to be kept in the loop...
If all is not well with Mr Mos, I wish him the best.

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Reply #39 - May 14th, 2011 at 11:06am
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I'll bet Pope sent a few letters explaining the delay...

We live in an age where communication is so easy and available, it would flabbergast people from any earlier decade.

In '83 at Coors I bought "RESPECTFULLY YOURS H.M. POPE" from Gerald Kelver. Later I used info from that book while teaching courses in Economics and Operations Mgt. For example, 
Pope letter to Mann, Jan 6, pg 24
Mann response to Pope, Jan 7, pg 26
Mann to Pope, Jan 11, pg 28
Pope response to Mann, Jan 12, pg 29
Mail was delivered twice a day, and quickly. The book is full of these examples. I think we communicated easily and quickly back in 1911.
(I also used the examples of the M1 carbine and Bazooka-the incredibly short development times in WWII. These from articles in the Rifleman. With many years in DoD procurement, I'll tell you that we couldn't do anything close in those times today. We haven't come as far as we claim-we just forgot what we used to be able to do.) 



And yet, we fail miserably to use it.

I don't know Mr Mos, and I've never done business with him.
Maybe he has all variety of hardship in his life preventing him from fulfilling his earlier schedules and deliveries... I can respect that.
I find it a little more difficult when any vendor or maker or gunsmith fails to communicate honestly over a period of many months to keep me advised of delays.

I've waited two and a half years for a barrel to be put on a rifle, and done so without complaint... because the 'smith bothered to keep me updated, and he was honest with me about what was taking so long.

I just want to be kept in the loop...
If all is not well with Mr Mos, I wish him the best.

Paul F.


  
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Reply #40 - May 14th, 2011 at 11:13am
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I was emailing back and forth with a fellow about a scope I have.  All the sudden he just stops emailing.   That is what many people do now days.  Very frustrating.   A barrel maker had one of my barrels for over a year. Wouldnt return emails or phone calls. I finally had to send a letter to him threatening to drive down to his shop.  I got my barrel back the next week.  The false muzzle was bent over.   

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Reply #41 - May 14th, 2011 at 8:50pm
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Just got to thinking about the year of suffering I had to bear while waiting for my .25 Hoch mold.  I remember calling the shop to pester Dave. He always answered the phone. Made the suffering much easier.   And he blamed the delay on CPA for ordering large volumes of molds.  They didnt have what I wanted. That spread the blame out a little and helped. 

A tornado is a very good excuse.   

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Reply #42 - May 16th, 2011 at 2:56pm
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I'd like to refer you all to teh "For sale" forum, the post titled "Buyer beware".  Excellent post by Creedmoormatch.
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Reply #43 - May 16th, 2011 at 8:12pm
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I figure I lost my $115.00. Just think, if I had just waited another week he ran a special for ,I think it was $90.00. Oh well! I've been using the internet for about 8 years and this is the first time I've lost anything.  If I liked his molds I was going to buy four more. I feel lucky I only lost some money. With a slight twist of fate I could have been on the other end of the transaction and lost something much more important.
  
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Reply #44 - May 16th, 2011 at 8:39pm
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Arkansas Better Business Bureau

Customer Complaint History for David Mos Rifle Repair
Not a member of the BBB
BBB processed a total of 0 complaints about David Mos Rifle Repair in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period.
  
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